New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

I cannot see that it is anything but a distraction strategy because it will never pass legal scrutiny. There are other more humanitarian options for the government to take if they wish, which have been outlined previously.

Refugees love their families as much as we do, and I don’t suppose they want to put their lives at risk in rubber boats in a busy shipping line, if there was a safer route.

This bill is there to enhance previous propaganda. In answer to the OP's question, it won't work because it can't.

Did anyone hear, on "Today", the evidence that has been given in a trial in the USA about what was being said behind the scenes in Fox News at the time rhetoric was spewed out saying the election had "been stolen"? It seems they knew the truth. Evidence has been produced about their discussions. But they continued with "the message" because it appealed to their voter profile.

This is what is going on with the government and asylum seekers. They know the problems. They know they are not created by asylum seekers but by their government. They say these things because they think one more lie will win them a few more votes.

spabbygirl

its a dead cat strategy, the tories want to take attention away from the dire state of the NHS, education, cost of living crisis so they create a scenario where immigrants are seen as the baddies, not the gov't, or they'd do the sensible thing and let people apply from Calais.

Yes

its a dead cat strategy, the tories want to take attention away from the dire state of the NHS, education, cost of living crisis so they create a scenario where immigrants are seen as the baddies, not the gov't, or they'd do the sensible thing and let people apply from Calais.

It won’t and won’t stop them!
Perhaps they should give them their own mini counties to run,..
plenty of space say small area in Australia and other large countries
They forget we’re only a small island .. bloody ridiculous .

And those people who are vocal about allowing all who want to enter our country to come in, open up your home to a few. A spare bedroom? Offer it up. Lots of us have already done this for real refugees who really need refuge in a safe place - not those who have arrived on our shores with no proper documentation or need.
Sorry - rant over....

I do wonder if this is just down to money being spent on migrants rather than at the migrants themselves. Maybe if they were housed and jobs found to then pay back what's been spent? Could we all be then more tolerant?

At the moment, we are spending £5.6 million a DAY housing illegal migrants in hotels. This is unsustainable. We have accepted many people escaping Hong Kong and refugees from Ukraine and we should accept as many genuine refugees as possible, but we cannot accept everyone who wants to come here. There is a huge difference between 'need' and 'want'. Boat people are not being persecuted by the Taliban or anyone else in France or Germany etc. And the largest group of boat people are from Albania...
Our system has got to have a complete overhaul, but until that's done, we should send the boat people back to where they have come from. If we don't get a grip on this, we might just as well build a bridge and let the whole world come.

Incidentally, there’s nothing wrong with legitimate economic migrates, us Brits have done this for years, working and living in many places abroad and calling ourselves ex-pats !!!

Also there is a proportion of Albanians coming here but by no means the large proportion the media/govt would have us believe and whilst they are economic migrants, most of them are NOT criminals other than entering this country illegally. We are also nowhere near taking as many refugees as at least 10 other countries ahead of us. Lots and lots of propaganda spread about asylum seekers and much racism around this subject. We have plenty of resources left in this country to look after both our “own” people and offer asylum to a proportion of others. Much of our land is still owned by the crown and our governments choose how to waste our taxpayers cash ! We are still in the top ten richest economic countries and should show more compassion

07/03/2023 08:22 Casdon

Perhaps he’s thinking of creating a giant holding camp somewhere, and putting a facility for people to apply for asylum in the UK from there. If it’s grim enough, which it would be, the thinking is possibly that rather than be deported there, people won’t attempt to come to the UK at all, they will choose other countries, so the issue will disappear. Of course it won’t work.

Nope he isn’t as the new bill states anyone entering the UK in small boats will be deported AND face a LIFETIME ban on seeking asylum in the UK ! It’s utterly barbarically and unworkable and won’t stop the traffickers who just don’t give a damn about the refugees and no one wants to see these folks coming over here risking their lives in this way. We need lots of support from France and this isn’t going to happen despite our esteemed government wasting millions of pounds paying France to police things better.

It’s a big hot mess !!

My child works at a hotel which has been taken over by Border Farce. The vast majority of the people put up there are young, male Albanians, not at risk of any kind of persecution at home. They're economic migrants at best, criminals in many cases.

It's very tricky. We have limited resources for our own people and cannot afford to house, educate and provide healthcare and welfare to so many extra people. Setting up asylum processing centres in France might allow a legitimate few more through, but the vast majority would be rejected, and then would still try to cross by illegal means. How do we stop this?

Kandinsky

*Can anyone explain where all these people are going to be held whilst waiting export*

Maybe they’ll build a great big building next to your house Whitewavemark2?

you could offer to house & feed some of them too? help keep costs down.

I’m sure you’d be only too delighted.

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Katie59

MaizieD

I can see, Katie59 that the people (not 'illegals', Katie, people) who risk their lives crossing the most dangerous stretch of water in Europe are a highly diverse set and all that your language is doing is 'othering' and dehumanising them.

None of them have to risk their lives crossing the channel to get Asylum. - a place of safety

They choose to do it because they are convinced they would be better off in the UK than elsewhere, others will be forced by the gangs to make the crossing

Just thank your lucky stars, Katie59 that you will never be in their position. Stripped of home, livelihood and dehumanised.

I'd like to introduce people to a group who aren't just talking.....
we have a local one that is both practical help and political speaking up

cityofsanctuary.org/2023/03/08/take-action-against-the-new-ban-on-the-human-right-to-claim-asylum/

MaizieD

I can see, Katie59 that the people (not 'illegals', Katie, people) who risk their lives crossing the most dangerous stretch of water in Europe are a highly diverse set and all that your language is doing is 'othering' and dehumanising them.

None of them have to risk their lives crossing the channel to get Asylum. - a place of safety

They choose to do it because they are convinced they would be better off in the UK than elsewhere, others will be forced by the gangs to make the crossing

They are desperate and the only way they can get here is by sea, so until a more civilised way of applying is agreed those seeking asylum have no other choice. No one in their right mind would choose to risk their lives if there were safe alternatives.

There is a greater need to tackle those making money out of those willing or desperate enough to take to the boats.

I can see, Katie59 that the people (not 'illegals', Katie, people) who risk their lives crossing the most dangerous stretch of water in Europe are a highly diverse set and all that your language is doing is 'othering' and dehumanising them.

Asylum seekers may well have connections in the UK, there may well be justification, economic migrants have no justification or right to enter the UK wether they have contacts or not. Albanian migrants are unlikely to have contacts other than the trafficking gangs who are going to use them for illegal purposes.

Can you not see that organised crime needs to bring illegals to the UK and promise or coerce the vulnerable to achieve their aims

Katie59

growstuff

They get more here than the countries they come through.

Oh no, they don't!!!

They probably don’t get more, but they are told by the trafficking gang that they will so that the gang can get money and/or hold them indentured in the UK for criminal activity.

Why are refugees/asylum seekers being discussed as though they are being manipulated by the traffickers and have no thoughts, ideas, desires of their own?

As though they are completely stupid when we know from their subsequent careers that many are well educated and a credit to the country that shelters them.

This seems to me to be similar to what disabled people complain about, the 'does he take sugar?' syndrome.

growstuff

*They get more here than the countries they come through.*

Oh no, they don't!!!

They probably don’t get more, but they are told by the trafficking gang that they will so that the gang can get money and/or hold them indentured in the UK for criminal activity.

I've found a link to the Sky News interview. In the middle of an interesting twitter thread. Thread's worth reading.

t.co/lHc2v70ZW1

twitter.com/MaxMigliorato/status/1632893804658163799

If I was escaping torture and starvation I wouldn’t come through so many safe countries and risk my families lives on these boats.
Firstly are you saying that the first “safe” country that a refugee arrives in should be where they stay? In that case there would be a huge burden on a few countries such as Greece, Italy and Turkey.

We take a far fewer share of refugees than many other countries when you look at the figures.

If I was a refugee arriving in for example Greece, and my family were living in UK I would naturally want to get to them.

They get more here than the countries they come through.

Oh no, they don't!!!

I'm not adept at posting links, bu the article is on page seven of today's Times.