New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

Rosina

However strong convictions may be on either side, the biggest difficulty is that of accommodating the people who do manage to get across the channel. It seems that all asylum centres are at capacity, and many hotels the Government are using are full. Quite clearly, whatever your view, this cannot go on, unless those who feel the Government are doing the wrong thing with this or any other policy apart from allowing all immigrants to stay are prepared to take in these desperate people, or see them wandering the streets. We are far from alone - many European countries are struggling to cope, and Ireland has a huge problem as unprecedented numbers of people are arrivng in the country that was the biggeet exporter of people in history. What is the humane and civilised answer ? I wish I knew.

The only reason those places are full is because the government takes so long to decide on asylum seekers. Some people wait over 2 years. Fast track the process and the hotels etc will empty.

How it works is:

1. The government enacts legislation that appeals to what I call the Alf Garnett vote that delivered for them in 2019 in order to keep them and their votes on board.

2. The first time the government attempts to act under the legislation, a string of court cases and appeals ensues right up to the Supreme Court which rules, as the government knew all along it would, that the legislation contravenes the European Convention on Human Rights.

3. The government is then able to whistle to the Alf Garnetts that they are being prevented from enacting the Will of the People by the ECHR, Labour Party, BBC, Unelected Judges, Lefty Lawyers, Muslims and, of course, immigrants.

However strong convictions may be on either side, the biggest difficulty is that of accommodating the people who do manage to get across the channel. It seems that all asylum centres are at capacity, and many hotels the Government are using are full. Quite clearly, whatever your view, this cannot go on, unless those who feel the Government are doing the wrong thing with this or any other policy apart from allowing all immigrants to stay are prepared to take in these desperate people, or see them wandering the streets. We are far from alone - many European countries are struggling to cope, and Ireland has a huge problem as unprecedented numbers of people are arrivng in the country that was the biggeet exporter of people in history. What is the humane and civilised answer ? I wish I knew.

MaizieD maybe Greece isn’t doing that well either with the migrant crisis. What I meant by this is that my freedom of movement, and that of my children, has stopped unless I can find a suitable relative to claim an EU passport. Ludicrous I know.

Does anyone know why asylum seekers can’t claim entry from Eurostar stations in France or French airports if, as suggested, an application doesn’t need to be made from the first country of escape? It would be much simpler to administer and would stop trafficking surely?

I’ve yet to see any suggestions from any party or any individual that will address that aspect of the matter.
I’ll admit I don’t have a workable solution.

You must be walking around with your eyes closed, Mollygo.

I'm sorry to be snippy, but this is just ludicrous. Workable solutions have been proposed time and time again.

Of course, if you want to stop people ever becoming refugees that would be impossible.

Given the state of the NHS, Care Homes, fruit and veg farming, hospitality, etc., perhaps we need economic migrants, Albanian or not now that Brexit has reduced labour mobility.

Maudi

19MaizieD

Maudi

Makes a change from "Faux outrage" from the left and name calling.

Do you know what 'faux' actually means, Maudi? or are you just parroting our Home Secretary?

*Little snide comments again*

There is nothing at all 'faux' about the outrage, Maudi. It is utterly genuine.

So why repeat the nonsense that Braverman spouts?

It strikes me that Rishi is quite clever as regards law. Or has people around him that are.

MaizieD what proportion of the Uk electorate is racist /xenophobic do you know? I can’t imagine that it is very high. I think it’s probably a minority.

I think you are right about it being a minority, ronib, but I think it is a substantial minority. in the low millions. Certainly enough to make the tories believe that their appalling Bill is a vote winner.

Given the very close result of the Brexit referendum I suspect that the 'minority was enough to swing the resulting No vote. Farage was certainly appealing to the xenophobes, and continues to do so.

Shame I can’t leave here to live in Greece!

Greece is not whiter than white when it comes to their reception and treatment of refugees...

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

The new immigration bill will work if it is legal?
Or laws are changed to make it legal?
And there is the will to do so?

It will break international law which most countries in the world respect and are signed up to.

So there is no question that we can simply change the law

I get quite fuzzy at that point.
As to which points we are signed up to. And which we can change. And which we can withdraw from. Etc.

MaizieD what proportion of the Uk electorate is racist /xenophobic do you know? I can’t imagine that it is very high. I think it’s probably a minority.

As a guess the Conservative party is trying to reframe its quite tarnished image and so we have Rishi Sunak in saviour mode. I can just hear the sound bite… with suitable lighting effect in the run up to the next general election. Rishi has sorted the NI protocol, solved the humanitarian issue of the boat people and of course, the Uk is the most humanitarian country and welcomes asylum seekers which is why blah blah.
Shame I can’t leave here to live in Greece!

Casdon

Glorianny

There's around 11,000 miles of coastline in this country. The idea that you can police all of it is ridiculous. Of course refugees will be put more at risk as boats try to make the journey in the dark, avoiding patrols and aiming for deserted beaches. Then they will disappear into the black economy and the power of the gang masters.
Of course the government won't have to count them.

That’s quite an irrelevant point, because the boats aren’t landing on Hebridean islands, are they? The south coast of England is the only entry point from the channel and that is about 340 miles.

There was a point when boats didn't cross the channel. Then they did. Now they don't cross the North Sea- how long before they do?
Just because a journey is difficult doesn't mean it won't be attempted. More people might drown of course but then they won't be our problem will they?

19MaizieD

Maudi

Makes a change from "Faux outrage" from the left and name calling.

Do you know what 'faux' actually means, Maudi? or are you just parroting our Home Secretary?

Little snide comments again

fancythat

The new immigration bill will work if it is legal?
Or laws are changed to make it legal?
And there is the will to do so?

It will break international law which most countries in the world respect and are signed up to.

So there is no question that we can simply change the law

And if there are not loopholes?
That would be then necessary to close the loopholes to make it work?
If there is the will to do so?

WWM2
No you know very well that there is no suggestion that the borders should be completely open.

But stop the dead weight of such inhumane and unworkable bills. Stop the spread of hate.

Absolutely!

And come up with something workable that will stop the traffickers making money by putting people’s lives at risk.

I’ve yet to see any suggestions from any party or any individual that will address that aspect of the matter.
I’ll admit I don’t have a workable solution.

It would be great to hear either workable solutions or some admission that there is no such solution to the trafficking.

The new immigration bill will work if it is legal?
Or laws are changed to make it legal?
And there is the will to do so?

Maudi

Makes a change from "Faux outrage" from the left and name calling.

Do you know what 'faux' actually means, Maudi? or are you just parroting our Home Secretary?

To help you make your own mind up over Lineker’s remark.

growstuff

Katie I'm getting confused. Are you talking about former EU citizens, asylum seekers or those who work under the radar?

Confused?
The only former EU citizens are us

Once in the EU travellers are not checked they don’t need “help” I can get into a car and drive from Calais to Albania no one is going to check it takes 3 days.

So similar to the 30s Nazis 😮😮😮 surely not. For reference please see my next post

Makes a change from "Faux outrage" from the left and name calling.

But if you think the cap fits, that's your problem.

Maudi

Well certain posters on here keep making snide remarks about people who voted Leave so I'm just curious. Another thought what if you are black, elderly and poor and voted Leave a triple whammy.

No, they don't!

MerylStreep

MaizieD reads a legal blogger who thinks the proposed legislation won’t work.
I volunteer with poor uneducated ( on the GN scale) 😉 women.
They think exactly the same as the legal blogger.
Funny old world 😊

Nothing like a bit of "faux victimhood" to start the day!