New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

MaizieD

There were plenty of them, Sago. I'm not saying that they were all racist, but racists voted Leave...

I voted leave.
I am no racist.

I think it would. It’s called a deterrent for a reason.

Katie59

I’m sure Asylum ventures could be set up overseas but that would not stop thousands of illegal economic migrants trying to cross the channel.

Asylum centers

I’m sure Asylum ventures could be set up overseas but that would not stop thousands of illegal economic migrants trying to cross the channel.

I wish I had a fiver for every time I hear a politician say “enough is enough”.

Putting migrants up in hotels is costing us, the UK taxpayers, £7 million A DAY.

Just let that amount sink in. I think it’s mind boggling. An enormous sum of money.
Just think of what else we could be doing with that money.

The UK needs to get tough on this. It’s all wrong. And I can’t believe legal aid is being used to fight cases in our Courts.

This bill won't work. Umpteen reasons why not.

Whitewavemark2

I think you have hit the nail on the head. Migrants and trying to stop them attracts votes.

Aaah. Obviously the wrong sort of votes, eh WM2?

Leaving any criminal element to one side I do wonder if some of the other asylum seekers wish they hadn't come. Once here, specially with no papers, you can't just up and leave if you don't like it as you can on the Continent, you are stuck, ok you may have a pleasant hotel room but then what. We have had a few instances in Kent of people trying to get on lorries to go back but they are mostly found. Somebody needs to do something particularly as the native population are getting restless.

Nazis? Who mentioned the Nazis?

Concentration camps. Large fenced settlements where people who were not wanted in the country were taken to. A British idea, first used during the Boer War in S. Africa. Copied in Germany in the 1930s and WW2. Tell me how the proposed camps to house 1,000s of unwanted immigrants are any different, Maudi?.

Leave voting racists were all over social media in 2016 and are still around.

Just being factual.

Well it didn't take long before the usual faux outrage mentioning concentration camps and Nazis and a few racist comments thrown in re Brexit and those who voted for it, pathetic.

MaizieD

Oh, Growstuff, two minds but a single thought...

At least we can eat the turnips (which I don't actually like...)

I'm not a huge fan either. I would imagine turnip missiles could cause some damage.

Last time I looked, Border Force had one cutter for the whole of the east coast. What will happen is that the smugglers will make greater use of remote drop off points. They won't get caught, although the asylum seekers themselves will probably get picked up eventually. The National Crime Agency is responsible for liaison with the French and Belgian governments on smuggling, but has had its budget cut. Braverman might as well call this new initiative "Operation Canute".

Oh, Growstuff, two minds but a single thought...

At least we can eat the turnips (which I don't actually like...)

LizzieDrip

Well they certainly won’t be throwing tomatoes at us Growstuff

Or eggs

Turnips, maybe.....

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

Katie59

“I saw that report Whitewavemark2 my immediate thought was if the authorities know they are living/operating in/from the U.K. why the hell are they not behind bars?”

Finding them and proving it in court is the problem, in any case it’s a mafia type operation when you remove one, another will take over, same with drug gangs.

Make the sentences long enough / harsh enough, track their bank accounts and confiscate the profits

Just because these gangs are mafia like is absolutely not an excuse to do nothing.

Yes that sounds good but it won’t work it is just like the drug barons - sentence one and another takes his place.

The only way is to take away their customers.

So - make it easy for those seeking asylum to apply

Give them safe passage

Set up application centres at French ports - set up cooperation and arrangements with countries to whom those failing the test are returned.

Deal with those whose refugee status is confirmed as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The people smugglers would see their income drop so drastically that they will be forced to seek different illegal work😄

I think we agree apart from these criminals cannot be ignored just because someone else will step into their shoes

Using that analogy, why prosecute any criminals?

I’m not saying don’t prosecute, I am saying that it won’t stop the trade. Just like drugs. If there is a market you will always find a supplier.

LizzieDrip

Well they certainly won’t be throwing tomatoes at us Growstuff

Turnips maybe!

Urmstongran

Maudi

Stop the Boats and Get The Votes

I personally think that if Sunak and Suella Braverman's plan actually works the Red Wall voters will vote Conservative again.

I do too Maudi which, cynically, I think is the reason for much of the howling on the Opposition benches this lunchtime.

A safe, clean basic detention. What a good idea. Staffed with a doctor, a dentist and a nurse. Military bases re-purposed. Hotel, unsecure and (very) expensive accommodation cannot go on infinitum.

I don’t think I’m hard of thinking WhiteWave. This will be a deterrent. Once word gets round, people will stop paying the awful human traffickers as their modus operandi will be bust. People don’t pay extortionate fees for a flaky outcome. They will stay in France or turn 180° and go elsewhere.

Are you aware that the Nazis' first concentration camps were used for this purpose? They were used for socialists and others who spoke against the regime. The idea was to give them a hard time but not to kill them, so that they could be released and tell everybody how appalling the conditions were, as a deterrent.

Well they certainly won’t be throwing tomatoes at us Growstuff

Are the bleeding heart traitors all going to be thrown into a camp too? Or will people be encouraged to throw eggs at us (or something)?

"Well, according to Braverman in the Sun today, those of us who don't back this proposed law are Traitors."

What a really, really, nasty piece of work she is. Stirring up hatred in the worse way. And of course, the Sun delighted to report. Surely there are MP's in the Conservative party who will stand up to this?

I think Sunak should be really pressed hard in the HoC on this statement.

Perhaps JOB is right- it is all very deliberate to concentrate hatred of them foreigners, leftie lawyers and human rights - rather than on the disasters they are creating, by the bucket load.

Well, according to Braverman in the Sun today, those of us who don't back this proposed law are Traitors.

I’m a ‘traitor’ then and a ‘bleeding heart’. Don’t mind - I believe in treating other humans with respect and decency. The UK government turned its back on people in Afghanistan who worked with our forces during the Afghan war - we abandoned them! I would prefer my taxes to help those seeking refuge rather than line the pockets of the already rich! I actually do live near to a HMO and they are much nicer people than the toffee-nosed, racist snobs who complain about them.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

Well, according to Braverman in the Sun today, those of us who don't back this proposed law are Traitors.

Who agrees with her, I wonder?

I am 100% pro safe borders and being aware of who and why people are entering the U.K. , followed by swift processing ( not a fan of that description) and repatriation when applications are not successful.

I am not in favour of the current proposal.

I think that makes you a traitor, along with the rest of us bleeding hearts

A safe, clean basic detention. What a good idea. Staffed with a doctor, a dentist and a nurse. Military bases re-purposed.

Oh yes, Ug?

Can't you hear the howls of outrage about money being spent on this?

But, TBH, I think this is a Unicorns and Sunny Uplands fantasy.

ExperiencedNotOld

Whitewavemark2 and MaizieD - and any other bleeding hearts. When your taxes increase or when you’re living next to an HMO housing five to a room, I suspect you’d be singing a different song then.

I'd be wanting the Home Office to do its bl**dy job and get a move on with sorting out their applications in a timely fashion.

The reason so many are living in such appalling conditions is that there is an enormous backlog to be processed.