New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

This whole ‘plan’ is inhumane. The government intends to take away these people’s human rights. I’m sick of hearing how it’s so wrong to be an economic migrant. Braverman, Sunak & Patel are the offspring of economic migrants! People coming into the UK want to work and contribute to society but they can’t - meanwhile the UK has to issue 6 month work visas to allow people to come and pick fruit. We have a shortage of workers - so let people contribute and work! This government is pandering to the right wing xenophobes. Never have I been so ashamed to be British. God help us if we ever need refuge!

“I saw that report Whitewavemark2 my immediate thought was if the authorities know they are living/operating in/from the U.K. why the hell are they not behind bars?”

Finding them and proving it in court is the problem, in any case it’s a mafia type operation when you remove one, another will take over, same with drug gangs.

Katie59

“I saw that report Whitewavemark2 my immediate thought was if the authorities know they are living/operating in/from the U.K. why the hell are they not behind bars?”

Finding them and proving it in court is the problem, in any case it’s a mafia type operation when you remove one, another will take over, same with drug gangs.

Make the sentences long enough / harsh enough, track their bank accounts and confiscate the profits

Just because these gangs are mafia like is absolutely not an excuse to do nothing.

Siope

ENO they could stop (or vastly reduce) the people smuggling/small boats tomorrow by setting up safe routes at the places where refugees are. They have made a purely political choice not to do so.

But we need to discourage the flood, all a safe route will do is eventually increase it.
What follows is not a racist statement (albeit some may of course choose to interpret it as such) - we cannot afford so many people without any means of supporting themselves!

Well, according to Braverman in the Sun today, those of us who don't back this proposed law are Traitors.

Who agrees with her, I wonder?

My father was an economic migrant. He came through a legal route to a job he was pre-engaged for.
Two differences there.
Just as Australia, we should screen for those that could make a contribution to our economy. That’s not racist that’s common sense.

GrannyGravy13

Katie59

“I saw that report Whitewavemark2 my immediate thought was if the authorities know they are living/operating in/from the U.K. why the hell are they not behind bars?”

Finding them and proving it in court is the problem, in any case it’s a mafia type operation when you remove one, another will take over, same with drug gangs.

Make the sentences long enough / harsh enough, track their bank accounts and confiscate the profits

Just because these gangs are mafia like is absolutely not an excuse to do nothing.

Yes that sounds good but it won’t work it is just like the drug barons - sentence one and another takes his place.

The only way is to take away their customers.

So - make it easy for those seeking asylum to apply

Give them safe passage

Set up application centres at French ports - set up cooperation and arrangements with countries to whom those failing the test are returned.

Deal with those whose refugee status is confirmed as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The people smugglers would see their income drop so drastically that they will be forced to seek different illegal work😄

MaizieD

Well, according to Braverman in the Sun today, those of us who don't back this proposed law are Traitors.

Who agrees with her, I wonder?

I am 100% pro safe borders and being aware of who and why people are entering the U.K. , followed by swift processing ( not a fan of that description) and repatriation when applications are not successful.

I am not in favour of the current proposal.

MaizieD

Well, according to Braverman in the Sun today, those of us who don't back this proposed law are Traitors.

Who agrees with her, I wonder?

Braverman is good at beating the fascist drum.

Whitewavemark2 and MaizieD - and any other bleeding hearts. When your taxes increase or when you’re living next to an HMO housing five to a room, I suspect you’d be singing a different song then.

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

Katie59

“I saw that report Whitewavemark2 my immediate thought was if the authorities know they are living/operating in/from the U.K. why the hell are they not behind bars?”

Finding them and proving it in court is the problem, in any case it’s a mafia type operation when you remove one, another will take over, same with drug gangs.

Make the sentences long enough / harsh enough, track their bank accounts and confiscate the profits

Just because these gangs are mafia like is absolutely not an excuse to do nothing.

Yes that sounds good but it won’t work it is just like the drug barons - sentence one and another takes his place.

The only way is to take away their customers.

So - make it easy for those seeking asylum to apply

Give them safe passage

Set up application centres at French ports - set up cooperation and arrangements with countries to whom those failing the test are returned.

Deal with those whose refugee status is confirmed as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The people smugglers would see their income drop so drastically that they will be forced to seek different illegal work😄

I think we agree apart from these criminals cannot be ignored just because someone else will step into their shoes

Using that analogy, why prosecute any criminals?

Maudi

Stop the Boats and Get The Votes

I personally think that if Sunak and Suella Braverman's plan actually works the Red Wall voters will vote Conservative again.

I do too Maudi which, cynically, I think is the reason for much of the howling on the Opposition benches this lunchtime.

A safe, clean basic detention. What a good idea. Staffed with a doctor, a dentist and a nurse. Military bases re-purposed. Hotel, unsecure and (very) expensive accommodation cannot go on infinitum.

I don’t think I’m hard of thinking WhiteWave. This will be a deterrent. Once word gets round, people will stop paying the awful human traffickers as their modus operandi will be bust. People don’t pay extortionate fees for a flaky outcome. They will stay in France or turn 180° and go elsewhere.

we cannot afford so many people without any means of supporting themselves!

They are not allowed to support themselves until their status has been recognised

If the Home Off ice was fit for purpose and dealt with them efficiently we wouldn't have to support them for long. They'd either be deported or free to seek work.

ExperiencedNotOld

Whitewavemark2 and MaizieD - and any other bleeding hearts. When your taxes increase or when you’re living next to an HMO housing five to a room, I suspect you’d be singing a different song then.

I'd be wanting the Home Office to do its bl**dy job and get a move on with sorting out their applications in a timely fashion.

The reason so many are living in such appalling conditions is that there is an enormous backlog to be processed.

A safe, clean basic detention. What a good idea. Staffed with a doctor, a dentist and a nurse. Military bases re-purposed.

Oh yes, Ug?

Can't you hear the howls of outrage about money being spent on this?

But, TBH, I think this is a Unicorns and Sunny Uplands fantasy.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

Well, according to Braverman in the Sun today, those of us who don't back this proposed law are Traitors.

Who agrees with her, I wonder?

I am 100% pro safe borders and being aware of who and why people are entering the U.K. , followed by swift processing ( not a fan of that description) and repatriation when applications are not successful.

I am not in favour of the current proposal.

I think that makes you a traitor, along with the rest of us bleeding hearts

Well, according to Braverman in the Sun today, those of us who don't back this proposed law are Traitors.

I’m a ‘traitor’ then and a ‘bleeding heart’. Don’t mind - I believe in treating other humans with respect and decency. The UK government turned its back on people in Afghanistan who worked with our forces during the Afghan war - we abandoned them! I would prefer my taxes to help those seeking refuge rather than line the pockets of the already rich! I actually do live near to a HMO and they are much nicer people than the toffee-nosed, racist snobs who complain about them.

Perhaps JOB is right- it is all very deliberate to concentrate hatred of them foreigners, leftie lawyers and human rights - rather than on the disasters they are creating, by the bucket load.

"Well, according to Braverman in the Sun today, those of us who don't back this proposed law are Traitors."

What a really, really, nasty piece of work she is. Stirring up hatred in the worse way. And of course, the Sun delighted to report. Surely there are MP's in the Conservative party who will stand up to this?

I think Sunak should be really pressed hard in the HoC on this statement.

Are the bleeding heart traitors all going to be thrown into a camp too? Or will people be encouraged to throw eggs at us (or something)?

Well they certainly won’t be throwing tomatoes at us Growstuff

Urmstongran

Maudi

Stop the Boats and Get The Votes

I personally think that if Sunak and Suella Braverman's plan actually works the Red Wall voters will vote Conservative again.

I do too Maudi which, cynically, I think is the reason for much of the howling on the Opposition benches this lunchtime.

A safe, clean basic detention. What a good idea. Staffed with a doctor, a dentist and a nurse. Military bases re-purposed. Hotel, unsecure and (very) expensive accommodation cannot go on infinitum.

I don’t think I’m hard of thinking WhiteWave. This will be a deterrent. Once word gets round, people will stop paying the awful human traffickers as their modus operandi will be bust. People don’t pay extortionate fees for a flaky outcome. They will stay in France or turn 180° and go elsewhere.

Are you aware that the Nazis' first concentration camps were used for this purpose? They were used for socialists and others who spoke against the regime. The idea was to give them a hard time but not to kill them, so that they could be released and tell everybody how appalling the conditions were, as a deterrent.

LizzieDrip

Well they certainly won’t be throwing tomatoes at us Growstuff

Turnips maybe!

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

Katie59

“I saw that report Whitewavemark2 my immediate thought was if the authorities know they are living/operating in/from the U.K. why the hell are they not behind bars?”

Finding them and proving it in court is the problem, in any case it’s a mafia type operation when you remove one, another will take over, same with drug gangs.

Make the sentences long enough / harsh enough, track their bank accounts and confiscate the profits

Just because these gangs are mafia like is absolutely not an excuse to do nothing.

Yes that sounds good but it won’t work it is just like the drug barons - sentence one and another takes his place.

The only way is to take away their customers.

So - make it easy for those seeking asylum to apply

Give them safe passage

Set up application centres at French ports - set up cooperation and arrangements with countries to whom those failing the test are returned.

Deal with those whose refugee status is confirmed as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The people smugglers would see their income drop so drastically that they will be forced to seek different illegal work😄

I think we agree apart from these criminals cannot be ignored just because someone else will step into their shoes

Using that analogy, why prosecute any criminals?

I’m not saying don’t prosecute, I am saying that it won’t stop the trade. Just like drugs. If there is a market you will always find a supplier.

LizzieDrip

Well they certainly won’t be throwing tomatoes at us Growstuff

Or eggs

Turnips, maybe.....