New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

Wyllow3 people aren't coming here because they want to give us something. They're here to take. They're not willing to make their own countries somewhere worth living

It isn’t racism, it’s fact.

What incredible racism. As if we haven't enough home grown white males committing domestic and street violence to women, including police officers!

My gym of many years has now a substantial number of men and some women from Eastern Europe and I have only been treated with respect , particularly I might add as someone with white hair ie from a culture that still respect its elders.

We know men from some cultures deliberately target white women because their own women are simply not available, they are protected/restricted by their families. They have little respect for their own women and none at all for white women

Biscuitmuncher

MaizieD absolute nonsense my daughters have been harrassed and followed by immigrants but never but British men. They have absolutely zero respect for women. They dont even care enough about their own women to bring them with them

That doesn't make it the experience of every woman in every town.

I realise it's unpleasant, but it isn't, and never will be, the norm nationwide.

There tend to be problems with male asylum seekers acting inappropriately with women. Many are from cultures where women are treated very differently and they seem to think that British girls are fair game.

MaizieD absolute nonsense my daughters have been harrassed and followed by immigrants but never but British men. They have absolutely zero respect for women. They dont even care enough about their own women to bring them with them

Coming to a town near you, your daughters and granddaughters if we don't Stop The Boats.

Don't be ridiculous, Maudi. Our daughters and granddaughters have a much greater risk of being sexually abused or assaulted by a native born Brit.

Joan Salter MBE, holocaust survivor explains the parallels with 1930s Germany.

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/sangita-myska/illegal-migration-bill-and-1930s-germany-holocaust-survivor/

British woman who fostered Afghan migrant, 28, who was deported after raping 12-year-old girl tells him NOT to come back as he tries to smuggle himself back across the Channel
Copied from the Daily Mail today.

Coming to a town near you, your daughters and granddaughters if we don't Stop The Boats.

Maudi

Well said Sago I totally agree with you. All these fit young men who we know nothing about just wandering about our towns and cities they could be murderers, rapists even terrorists it a disgrace and yes its happened on the Tory watch but Sunak and Braverman have only been in charge for a few months so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at least they are trying to stop the illegals landing on our shores, enough is enough.

Standard hard right vilification of one particular group.

And people think we shouldn't be able to comment on the history of this type of language. I despair.

Not my experience Glorianny and I have known many more lawyers than you,

MayBee70
Because they have passports and accreditation papers ( if professional)
The Ukraine still has a working IT system that allows people to be checked out.

How come people coming from Ukraine are allowed to work here straight away but people coming from other war torn areas have to be processed (?) which makes them a drain on society?

Whitewavemark2

Germanshepherdsmum

I was a commercial lawyer in the City WWM. Had nowt to do with ambulance chasing HR lawyers though I did a lot of law centre pro bono work for poor folk, many of them immigrants, within my field of competence if that makes you feel better. I can however tell you that not all lawyers operate within the law - plenty get struck off/disbarred and even jailed. I have come across some of them. And all lawyers will have political views - mine, as you know, lie very much to the right of centre.

I’m long retired from practising law HPQ, fear not. The Law Society and Solicitors’ Regulation Authority won’t be in the least interested in my views.

You are telling me nothing that i don’t know about criminal lawyers.

But I’m surprised at your apparent ignorance concerning those who operate within the law. Of course they have political views why on earth shouldn’t they? But lawyers operate within U.K. law . Tell me, is the law left or right leaning?

Of the two lawyers I know one is a major human rights lawyer and one worked for a huge company doing commercial law. The commercial lawyer admits that some of the work she did was ethically questionable (she's now retired) and that the human rights lawyer is brighter and more committed to justice than she ever was.

the cost of housing and feeding people while they await 'processing' is unnecessarily large due to the whole system being clogged up. I think we can all agree, whatever our views on people seeking permission to live in the UK, that the application and subsequent permission or refusal has to be sorted out, not least to avoid the costs and social implications of huge numbers of unemployed, bored people being kept waiting for years to move on with their lives.

I am saddened however, by the cruel way that some of our politicians are using the misery of thousands of people to distract (very effectively) the electorate from the catastrophic state of public services after 13 years of Conservative austerity policy.

Absolutely true SporeRB

From BBC News:
Does the UK grant more asylum applications than other countries?
In 2021, the UK authorities made decisions on 22,890 first-time applications and granted 14,690 of them - 64%.
France, a country with a population similar to the UK's, made 137,015 decisions, granting 33,875 of them - 25%.
Germany made 132,680 asylum decisions, granting 59,850 - 45%.

How could France process 137,015 decisions, whilst the UK only processed 22,890 - it is pathetic inefficiency.

HousePlantQueen
Oh, and anyone who thinks that they can't get a council house/hip replacement/GP appt/pot hole filled/NHS dentist because 45,000 arrived on the Kent coast by inflatable boat last year really needs to brush up on their economics, and then have a read up on Conservative austerity policy.

Well I follow your advice and brush up on my economics and found that UK spent 898 million providing food and shelter to refugees in the UK in 2021.

The judicial system is part of the problem, the long appeal and reappeal process whenever the refugee's application was rejected in the first place.

Then why talk about “leftie”lawyers” ?

I think I know the answer to that as well.

Everyone is equal before the law except those you deem not to be. So today it is immigrants. Tomorrow whom?

I think you know the answer to that.
And I am by no means ignorant ‘of those who operate within the law’ - or those who operate outside it.

Germanshepherdsmum

I was a commercial lawyer in the City WWM. Had nowt to do with ambulance chasing HR lawyers though I did a lot of law centre pro bono work for poor folk, many of them immigrants, within my field of competence if that makes you feel better. I can however tell you that not all lawyers operate within the law - plenty get struck off/disbarred and even jailed. I have come across some of them. And all lawyers will have political views - mine, as you know, lie very much to the right of centre.

I’m long retired from practising law HPQ, fear not. The Law Society and Solicitors’ Regulation Authority won’t be in the least interested in my views.

You are telling me nothing that i don’t know about criminal lawyers.

But I’m surprised at your apparent ignorance concerning those who operate within the law. Of course they have political views why on earth shouldn’t they? But lawyers operate within U.K. law . Tell me, is the law left or right leaning?

I was a commercial lawyer in the City WWM. Had nowt to do with ambulance chasing HR lawyers though I did a lot of law centre pro bono work for poor folk, many of them immigrants, within my field of competence if that makes you feel better. I can however tell you that not all lawyers operate within the law - plenty get struck off/disbarred and even jailed. I have come across some of them. And all lawyers will have political views - mine, as you know, lie very much to the right of centre.

I’m long retired from practising law HPQ, fear not. The Law Society and Solicitors’ Regulation Authority won’t be in the least interested in my views.

I wondered what Jesus would think, so I googled and it's quite clear

www.worldvision.org/refugees-news-stories/what-does-bible-say-about-refugees#:~:text=Treat%20foreigners%20or%20refugees%20as%20citizens%20and%20with%20love.&text=Most%20Christians%20are%20aware%20of,same%20instruction%20for%20treating%20foreigners.

GSM, I do hope you are no longer practicing whatever area of the law you specialise in because, frankly, your comments are disgusting Scummy & Co? Really? Some of the language on here is appalling, talk of 'dumping' people as if they are rubbish.

I say this as someone who is not affected by the dreadful situations that some are, but unlike some on here, I don't blame the migrants, I blame the deliberate and provocative placement of controversial people into areas where they are unlikely to be welcomed, will have nothing to do other than hang around all day, being preyed upon by unscrupulous gangmasters and the like. As a previous poster wisely said

You might almost think there was a policy to stir up discontent and unrest. To cover up the awful economic mess the Tories have got us in. But that couldn't possibly be true, could it

I do not believe that every person who lands on these shores is a genuine refugee, even us snowflakes can work that out, I do think that the backlog is the fault, deliberate possibly, of the HO.

Oh, and anyone who thinks that they can't get a council house/hip replacement/GP appt/pot hole filled/NHS dentist because 45,000 arrived on the Kent coast by inflatable boat last year really needs to brush up on their economics, and then have a read up on Conservative austerity policy.

Germanshepherdsmum

I was, Whitemark, but didn’t do that sort of work, nor did any firm I was with. I always refer to these human rights law firms, paid by the taxpayer, as Scummy & Co. I have no respect for them.

Are they operating within the law?

As a solicitor, did you believe in upholding the principles of HR?

Did you recognise that everyone is equal before the law, and were entitled to representation?

Do you also recognise that barristers work entirely within the law of the land.

So how on earth can they be either right or left.

It is an absolute nonsense to talk about “lefty lawyers”