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New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 07-Mar-23 07:49:34

So the latest wheeze from Sunak is to export every single asylum seeker who arrives on our shores, who have not gone through the proper channels or “safe route”

So,

Can anyone explain what safe routes are available.

Can anyone explain the countries willing to accept these exports?

Rwanda has agreed some sort of mutual export agreement - so they will take a few hundred in exchange for us taking theirs. So I’m unclear how that will reduce the pressure - if it ever gets off the ground.

Can anyone explain where all these people are going to be held whilst waiting export, as the law is to apply retrospectively.

Can anyone explain how the Tory government is NOT breaking international law?

MaizieD Sat 11-Mar-23 10:35:48

Whitewavemark2

Interesting to hear Macron on the agreement

“ we are righting the wrongs of Brexit”

Cheap at the price of half a billion.

Is Sunak leaping about enthusiastically agreeing with him?

In the same way that he was so enthusiastic about NI getting the best of both worlds with the proposed agreement over the NIP...

What a farce.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 11-Mar-23 10:23:46

Interesting to hear Macron on the agreement

“ we are righting the wrongs of Brexit”

Cheap at the price of half a billion.

Calendargirl Sat 11-Mar-23 09:48:49

Maybe been asked before, but what are Labour’s plans on how to deal with all this?

Maudi Sat 11-Mar-23 09:40:49

09:33growstuff

Maudi

The Telegraph is a broadsheet.

I actually used to work at The Express Newspaper in Fleet Street many moons ago.

I wonder if we knew each other! I worked for them too.

I worked there in the early 70s.

growstuff Sat 11-Mar-23 09:36:54

Oreo

growstuff

I confess that I do sometimes read the Times and the Telegraph online (as well as other media) because my OH pays for them. He also donates about the same to the Guardian as he pays for the Times.

I regularly read US, French and German newspapers online. I wonder what that makes me. hmm

Someone with loads of time?

Wish posters would stop with all the newspaper superiority stuff, which is really about trying to do a put down to others.
Left wing people read a paper that suits them, right wing do the same and all those in the middle too.Some like long well written pieces others like short pithy get to the point pieces.
Some read only one paper, others with time on their hands read a few and some none at all for various reasons.

Yes Oreo I have loads of time. I have no idea how many media sources I read - representing a range of views. I like to be informed.

I wish people would stop all the faux victimhood stuff.

growstuff Sat 11-Mar-23 09:33:32

Maudi

The Telegraph is a broadsheet.

I actually used to work at The Express Newspaper in Fleet Street many moons ago.

I wonder if we knew each other! I worked for them too.

growstuff Sat 11-Mar-23 09:32:50

Yes Sago there are too many concentrated in the same areas. That's because the NIMBYs in more suitable areas don't want them.

growstuff Sat 11-Mar-23 09:31:32

Any fit young man wandering around our streets could be a murderer or rapist - in fact, some are!

PS. They're not trying very hard. If they were, they might actually come up with a scheme which would work. As it is, they're touting for votes from people like you.

Maudi Sat 11-Mar-23 09:26:20

Well said Sago I totally agree with you. All these fit young men who we know nothing about just wandering about our towns and cities they could be murderers, rapists even terrorists it a disgrace and yes its happened on the Tory watch but Sunak and Braverman have only been in charge for a few months so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at least they are trying to stop the illegals landing on our shores, enough is enough.

Sago Sat 11-Mar-23 09:14:18

I live in Hull, as a City we are housing many asylum seekers, local hotels and a large University Hall of residence have been requisitioned by the council.

In the University Halls 34 young men absconded within the first fortnight.
We don’t know who they are or where they are.
A large hotel and wedding venue in a village on the outskirts is now also full of young men in an area with no facilities for them.

Hull is a poor City with many good and kind people, we have supported a lot of Ukrainian refugees, there is a large Kurdish community that have been well accepted and are now very established in the City.

Patience is now running out here, there are just too many, we have massive drug wars , a growing Albanian population, more knife crime and a City Council that is finding ways to accept more and more refugees.

They are all young men, we haven’t seen many families since the first Syrian refugees came over.

There are so many reports in the local paper of these young men having committed crimes, many of them have used cultural differences as an excuse.

I am glad the Sunak has finally done something.

Maudi Sat 11-Mar-23 09:06:43

The Telegraph is a broadsheet.

I actually used to work at The Express Newspaper in Fleet Street many moons ago.

Casdon Sat 11-Mar-23 09:03:59

But how is it possible to form a balanced view without reading information from various sources Oreo? I’d highly doubt that many people exclusively read the Guardian, or for that matter the Times, because those papers have a well educated readership - and the well educated are the people who are most likely to seek out information from lots of other places as well, they aren’t those who are taking what tabloids say as gospel.

Oreo Sat 11-Mar-23 08:53:46

growstuff

I confess that I do sometimes read the Times and the Telegraph online (as well as other media) because my OH pays for them. He also donates about the same to the Guardian as he pays for the Times.

I regularly read US, French and German newspapers online. I wonder what that makes me. hmm

Someone with loads of time?

Wish posters would stop with all the newspaper superiority stuff, which is really about trying to do a put down to others.
Left wing people read a paper that suits them, right wing do the same and all those in the middle too.Some like long well written pieces others like short pithy get to the point pieces.
Some read only one paper, others with time on their hands read a few and some none at all for various reasons.

growstuff Sat 11-Mar-23 08:36:34

I confess that I do sometimes read the Times and the Telegraph online (as well as other media) because my OH pays for them. He also donates about the same to the Guardian as he pays for the Times.

I regularly read US, French and German newspapers online. I wonder what that makes me. hmm

growstuff Sat 11-Mar-23 08:33:18

Obviously somebody does pay for the Guardian (via donations) or it wouldn't survive.

Casdon Sat 11-Mar-23 08:32:41

www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jul/28/the-guardian-most-widely-used-newspaper-website-and-app-for-news-according-to-ofcom
I suspect you aren’t in the target demographic Maudi.

Maudi Sat 11-Mar-23 08:19:35

08:13MaizieD

Maudi

On the odd occasion I've clicked on to The Guardian Newspaper they are always asking for money to support them. I don't think they have much of a following.

It's a terribly old fashioned concept, isn't it? Paying to read a newspaper...

I suppose The Guardian is wary about making their newspaper subscription only because who in their right or should that be left mind would pay for it. Gary would I suppose, although I suspect he has it delivered 😊

I often buy newspapers when I'm traveling I actually like to read the paper version.

MaizieD Sat 11-Mar-23 08:18:48

Maudi

Perhaps you should it might open your eyes to the real world 😉

Which world is that, Maudi?

The one with unicorns and sunny uplands?

Maudi Sat 11-Mar-23 08:14:04

Perhaps you should it might open your eyes to the real world 😉

MaizieD Sat 11-Mar-23 08:13:10

Maudi

On the odd occasion I've clicked on to The Guardian Newspaper they are always asking for money to support them. I don't think they have much of a following.

It's a terribly old fashioned concept, isn't it? Paying to read a newspaper...

MaizieD Sat 11-Mar-23 08:09:15

Maudi

We pay for a Telegraph subscription.

I suspected that you probably did 😂

growstuff Sat 11-Mar-23 08:05:49

Yes Katie59 that's the model it's chosen and why it always looks as though it's begging for money.

Katie59 Sat 11-Mar-23 07:53:10

growstuff

Maudi

On the odd occasion I've clicked on to The Guardian Newspaper they are always asking for money to support them. I don't think they have much of a following.

The Guardian has the biggest online readership of the "broadsheet" newspapers.

Only because it’s the only one without a paywall

Maudi Sat 11-Mar-23 07:46:26

We pay for a Telegraph subscription.

growstuff Sat 11-Mar-23 07:41:21

Maudi

On the odd occasion I've clicked on to The Guardian Newspaper they are always asking for money to support them. I don't think they have much of a following.

The Guardian has the biggest online readership of the "broadsheet" newspapers.