New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

Katie59

Oreo

Well, to some it’s Gospel 😄

To MANY on this forum it is gospel, and they do not do any other analysis or even open there eyes to see what is actually happening

Who's that then?

(Not me.)

On the odd occasion I've clicked on to The Guardian Newspaper they are always asking for money to support them. I don't think they have much of a following.

Oreo

Well, to some it’s Gospel 😄

To MANY on this forum it is gospel, and they do not do any other analysis or even open there eyes to see what is actually happening

Bit of a bromance going on between Sunak and Macron in Paris it seems 😊 I think Macron likes him because he's finally met someone smaller than him. It's not just the UK that wants to put a stop to illegal migration the whole of Europe has had enough.

Well, to some it’s Gospel 😄

Oreo
I think the word could could be debatable 😉

MerylStreep

Why am I ( stupidly) asked for proof and evidence on what I post but an article in a national newspaper is believed without one name being printed.

Could it be that The Guardian’s a sort of middle class bible?😄

Wavewavemark there are still boat people who are now housed in PNG. Some have been sent to the US but they were the long term stays from Manus Island.

MaizieD

So, they're 'detained' in France. Then what?

I suspect what will happen is that the traffickers will be one step ahead of the game.

People wanting to claim asylum will be offered "safe houses" (at a price), where they can stay until a passage is available for them. Efforts will be made to keep them out of the detention centres.

Why am I ( stupidly) asked for proof and evidence on what I post but an article in a national newspaper is believed without one name being printed.

westendgirl

Meryl Streep, why post something contentious without evidence.?
Do you know what nationality these children are ? If so, how do you know ?. In fact,are they children at all or adults who are slight of build.
~Isn't it called clutching at straws ?

Perhaps you could contact the Guardian and ask them for proof/evidence.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/05/young-albanian-men-viciously-exploited-after-arriving-in-uk

Maizie

It's far too easy to miss social cues online. Don't worry about it.

I suspect that Braverman will be unemployable as a lawyer should she ever leave parliament, I’ve seen so many similar opinions

Chris Daw KC

@crimlawuk

Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred.

She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.

MaizieD

DaisyAnne

MayBee70

Just said on Sky News that in the U.K. we can detain people in centres indefinitely but in France there’s a time limit on how long they can be detained. That will cause problems I would imagine unless the government gets its act together regarding processing*people.
* I HATE using that term….

It would actually be processing the claims MayBee. Keep reminding yourself of that as it feels like a good thing.

If they were processing the people I fear we would have gone even further down the road towards the straight-arm salute.

I don't see anything in the Sky News report that GG13 posted about processing claims. Just detention to keep people away from the coast.

As others said in subsequent posts, I'm disappointed it's for detention, not for processing claims.

If you have a source that says that it is for claim processing I'm sure we'd all be glad of a link to it.

OOPs. have I misread or misunderstood your post, DaisyAnne?

I do apologise if I have.

DaisyAnne

MayBee70

Just said on Sky News that in the U.K. we can detain people in centres indefinitely but in France there’s a time limit on how long they can be detained. That will cause problems I would imagine unless the government gets its act together regarding processing*people.
* I HATE using that term….

It would actually be processing the claims MayBee. Keep reminding yourself of that as it feels like a good thing.

If they were processing the people I fear we would have gone even further down the road towards the straight-arm salute.

I don't see anything in the Sky News report that GG13 posted about processing claims. Just detention to keep people away from the coast.

As others said in subsequent posts, I'm disappointed it's for detention, not for processing claims.

If you have a source that says that it is for claim processing I'm sure we'd all be glad of a link to it.

MayBee70

Just said on Sky News that in the U.K. we can detain people in centres indefinitely but in France there’s a time limit on how long they can be detained. That will cause problems I would imagine unless the government gets its act together regarding processing*people.
* I HATE using that term….

It would actually be processing the claims MayBee. Keep reminding yourself of that as it feels like a good thing.

If they were processing the people I fear we would have gone even further down the road towards the straight-arm salute.

A report by Prof. Thom Brooks published last month lays the blame squarely on Brexit. Failure to negotiate returns agreements after leaving the EU.

It contains some interesting data.

It can be download here:

papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4351994

Kandinsky

I honestly think the people who are happy to welcome endless illegals coming here in small boats should be made to pay for them ( housing, healthcare, etc etc, )
The vast majority of people in this country are fed up with the strain they’re putting on our resources - I certainly am.
Well done Tories for at least trying to do something.

Strange that Braverman* (and you) tell us that the vast majority of people in this country agree with her policy because she doesn’t speak for me. Or anyone I know. It appalls me that the rest of the world are being told that I agree with it.
*in parliament the other day

Seems a step forward but what next?

We cannot have assylum seekers waiting a year or more for their claims to be assessed . That is unacceptable -for them and for the UK taxpayer.

Most, when assessed will be given leave to remain and will therefore be allowed to work.

Dealing with these claims should be top priority.

So, they're 'detained' in France. Then what?

Yes I thought “processing centre” and was pleased they were starting to get a grip at last, but no, just another way to pull up the drawbridge.

Just said on Sky News that in the U.K. we can detain people in centres indefinitely but in France there’s a time limit on how long they can be detained. That will cause problems I would imagine unless the government gets its act together regarding processing*people.
* I HATE using that term….

I read it in a similar way thinking "processing centre" and then realising it said "detention centre". Very sad.

It distracts those the government wants to distract from the real problems; those of their making, I suppose.

I read that and first I thought "great" and then read it again and wondered what it's about.

I understand it's a detention centre, possibly like the one France had a few years ago. It won't be a place where the UK can start to process claims.

Presumably it means France can round people up - then what? Some of the people will have a legitimate claim to asylum. Will they be granted asylum in France?

One of the main reasons people give for wanting to come to the UK rather than another country is because they have friends/family already in the UK and/or they can speak English rather than French or German, so are people going to be denied any opportunity to come to the UK?

Sky News report regarding U.K. and France meeting today