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CvD66 Sat 11-Mar-23 12:02:56

...at this government (adjectives deleted to enable post to survive) and its policies. Whether its the appalling language and terms of this new Immigration bill, the current attempts to limit free speech, voting restrictions particularly for young people, polluted rivers and seas (affecting wildlife, tourism and well being), the cost of living crisis, unaffordable energy bills, threats of higher mortgage costs, significant decrease in rape prosecutions, repeated examples of government waste (PPE being the prime example) and so on.... there is so much we need to be opposing. Yes I know we can all vote in the local and one day general elections, yet making a protest that might actually resonate with the government seems impossible. So well done to Linekar with his 6m followers! Any ideas from posters on what we as individuals could do, that could create a ripple?

Nancat Mon 13-Mar-23 14:11:30

I agree wit both Gillycats and Milliedog. What we really need is a coalition government, with the best person for the job, regardless of party elected for each post. How we could get it, I don't know. I just feel that neither of the major parties are trustworthy enough to lead the country without restraint.

HomeAgain123 Mon 13-Mar-23 13:57:14

We’ve got the greens where I live …. Never seen such a mess looks like they’ll be gone in may

Cossy Mon 13-Mar-23 13:53:13

GagaJo

We had a chance in the last election and the populace picked Boris.


I, in common with some others, firmly believe Bo-Jo was elected by such a huge majority purely to “get Brexit done” and we can see how well that went !! Also I agree with the poster who spoke about the lethargy our voters show - btw big turns out Australia I believe are due to penalties for not voting ? Personally, as a woman, I think it’s a disgrace not to vote as our predecessors gave their lives in some cases to allow us this “privilege”

As for the person here who thinks Gary Lineker is a loony, sorry to disagree but I think he is a man of principals who puts his money where his mouth is by not only speaking out but by opening his own home to two asylum seekers !! Support him all the way ! 👏👏👏

HillyN Mon 13-Mar-23 13:48:09

mokryna , we do have the option of a postal vote!

Junglebub Mon 13-Mar-23 13:33:00

I had no idea that Lineker was fluent in 1930's German! Or is he simply relying on someone else's translations to form the basis of his crackpot twitterings, I wonder......

mokryna Mon 13-Mar-23 13:31:04

The Swiss vote as many as four times a year. Some groups in the USA travel long distances and queue hours in the heat. However, many people in the UK don’t want to go to the local polling station, as it is too tiring, even when they have the possibility to make changes.

andiacc1 Mon 13-Mar-23 13:21:10

CvD66

...at this government (adjectives deleted to enable post to survive) and its policies. Whether its the appalling language and terms of this new Immigration bill, the current attempts to limit free speech, voting restrictions particularly for young people, polluted rivers and seas (affecting wildlife, tourism and well being), the cost of living crisis, unaffordable energy bills, threats of higher mortgage costs, significant decrease in rape prosecutions, repeated examples of government waste (PPE being the prime example) and so on.... there is so much we need to be opposing. Yes I know we can all vote in the local and one day general elections, yet making a protest that might actually resonate with the government seems impossible. So well done to Linekar with his 6m followers! Any ideas from posters on what we as individuals could do, that could create a ripple?

Obviously don't vote for the scum. They are cruel. Evil 😈. Demonstrate. Let's get them out

Sandynan Mon 13-Mar-23 13:15:47

Demonstrate! Get out on the streets! Write to your MP! If we sit back and do nothing, nothing will change. Apartheid wasn’t abolished because people sat at home moaning.

Merryweather Mon 13-Mar-23 13:12:34

@millydog and @gillycats completely agree with both of you. Well said.

undines Mon 13-Mar-23 13:03:09

Do you know any Jews, Gillycats? I do, and they do NOT feel safe. The climate is changing. How do you define a 'decent' wage? I would say that a 'decent' wage means at least you do not have to rely on food-banks, like some nurses and teachers. I do not blame anyone for striking. There is enough money around - it is being siphoned into the wrong pockets. As for the language used and objected to by Linekar, that depends how far back you go. Of course it's not the storming rhetoric of Hitler on his pulpit, but more akin to earlier views, as racism grew. Germans then did not want to see it, WE do not want to see it, but it's happening and we need to wake up. There are plenty of people who would like to see 'the blacks' kicked out, en masse. To give them a political voice is dangerous.

undines Mon 13-Mar-23 12:55:45

I'm with you Ali23, dangerous times, and yes any totalitarian government is as bad as another. Currently the Labour Party are disappointingly beige, but they are the lesser of two evils. And every little helps - posters, marching, petitions, and of course VOTING, which far too many people don't do. Currently there seem to be a few people who, now thoroughly disillusioned by the Conservatives, will not vote at all because they have a visceral dislike of Labour. That's a shame. We have to be rational. Proportional representation is a 'must' but I don't think it benefits either of the two main parties, and certainly not the Conservatives. As for France, the French government know they're going to get trouble with some measures, so they keep within bounds -at least that's what I think. If the French were passive moaners like the Brits (being half Irish half Belgian this is the view of an 'outsider'!) maybe that pension age would be up to 67 like ours!

Gillycats Mon 13-Mar-23 12:49:31

Irish Dancing yes they have. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the world.
MayBee70 the language is nothing like the German government used in Nazi Germany or German politics in the 1930’s. And it’s abhorrent to even suggest it is.
Our right to strike has been diminishing since the awful strikes of the 1970’s when this country was brought to its knees. And that’s under Labour and Tories. I fully support those who earn minimum wage or less and anyone who does not receive the legal requirements from a health and safety point of view. But bringing the country to its knees once more when there is a global economic and environmental crisis by people on decent wages and conditions is just wrong. Let’s help the genuinely poor and needy first then let’s look at helping those earning a decent income. And for me that includes helping genuine refugees with particular emphasis on women and children from war torn countries. Not young men from places where they’re actually safe eg Albania. Unlike the Jews who were anything but safe in pre WW2 Germany….

Well said Milliedog by the way! Spot on!

GoldenAge Mon 13-Mar-23 12:41:07

March, demonstrate, ensure that the media are there and encourage all your grandchildren to observe, participate, take pics and videos and broadcast them all over their social media. We need to make social media and young voices aware of the support they have from us for progressive ideas.

HannahLoisLuke Mon 13-Mar-23 12:33:12

grandtanteJE65

Do as the Israelis are doing: demonstrate or strike!

It seems to be working there, so why not in the UK?

We already protest and strike. Seems like the whole country is out on strike.

Amalegra Mon 13-Mar-23 12:32:01

I’d be interested to know the wise Mr Lineker’s thoughts on the £7m per day spent on hotels for ‘refugees’ and how the country can continue to fund this, together with the necessary infrastructure, to support it. Perhaps he, as a multi millionaire (for whose services we licence fee payers pay a premium) is unaware of the long standing housing crisis in this country, the poverty and social inequality that ALREADY EXISTS here for UK citizens. He is quoting facts that are incorrect re how many refugees we take compared to Europe. Is he unaware of how densely we are populated here? Did he not watch Sir David’s excellent programme on wild Britain and just how much green space we are losing? Population increase is not going to help our green initiatives. I suggest that Mr Lineker sticks to the football commentary he his paid so handsomely for, often by people who do not agree with his views. His political acumen and social awareness is nil despite the slavish devotion of his Twitter ‘followers’.

Casdon Mon 13-Mar-23 12:29:23

Milliedog

And does anyone know if Gary Lineker is housing any refugees or economic migrants? Those who really want no borders should be queuing up to give homes to those arrivingonour shores....That's why Ukrainians have been so welcomed. They have been given refuge by those willing to stand up and be counted.

Yes he does.
www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gary-lineker-taking-another-refugee-his-home-b964763.html

Milliedog Mon 13-Mar-23 12:26:58

And does anyone know if Gary Lineker is housing any refugees or economic migrants? Those who really want no borders should be queuing up to give homes to those arrivingonour shores....That's why Ukrainians have been so welcomed. They have been given refuge by those willing to stand up and be counted.

Bazza Mon 13-Mar-23 12:26:52

Well said Milliedog.

IrishDancing Mon 13-Mar-23 12:23:44

Gillycats do you believe that the current government has provided this “brilliant country with so much diversity, benefits and equality”? Genuine question.

Milliedog Mon 13-Mar-23 12:21:43

Mmm. I'm more hopeful of the government since Rishi took over. At least he acts like a grown up. I like Keir Starmer but the thought of Angela Rayner and Diane Abbot being given any sort of responsibility fills me with dread. And I still haven't forgotten Tony Blair and his weapons of mass destruction so voting Labour is out for me.....We could do with a strong 3rd party. And migrants? We have had lots of people from Hong Kong and Ukraine (we should). But right now every day we are spending £5.6 million on housing economic migrants - remember that when you are in a long queue for our overstretched health service. Not all migrants are doctors and nurses. We need to fix our broken immigrant system but we also have to remember that we don't have the infrastructure to deal with everyone who WANTS to come here. Albanians aren't being persecuted in their own country, and those in Calais aren't being persecuted by the French.

hilkin Mon 13-Mar-23 12:20:07

The same uninformed who voted this lot in will do so next time. Why? Because they appeal to the anti immigrant, anti EU, indeed anti abroad(except cheapo Spanish hols) element .

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Mar-23 12:14:39

Yes tactical voting must be the way to go.

MayBee70 Mon 13-Mar-23 12:14:04

Gillycats

Linacre was well out of line. If people think that the immigration policy is akin to what happened in Nazi Germany then they need to pick up a history book or 2. People seem to think our country is some kind of dreadful regime. It’s not. Other countries have exactly the same problems as us. We deal with things much better than many other places. We’re very lucky to live in such a brilliant country with so much diversity, benefits and equality. People should remember that.

Oh please. He did not liken it to Nazi Germany. He said the language being used by the current government was like the language used in German politics in the 1930’s. Which it is. And the current government is trying to take away our right to protest and our right to strike. It isn’t just about people coming to this country. It’s about our freedom.

Gillycats Mon 13-Mar-23 12:08:18

Linacre was well out of line. If people think that the immigration policy is akin to what happened in Nazi Germany then they need to pick up a history book or 2. People seem to think our country is some kind of dreadful regime. It’s not. Other countries have exactly the same problems as us. We deal with things much better than many other places. We’re very lucky to live in such a brilliant country with so much diversity, benefits and equality. People should remember that.

Iam64 Sun 12-Mar-23 20:27:13

Yes to tactical voting in first past the
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The key is getting rid of these awful tories