Braverman's propaganda

Oreo

If this plan to control illegal immigration works then Labour can kiss goodbye to getting the keys to Number 10.
Whatever anyone here thinks about it, it’ll be a huge vote winner.

Some of us think the term "illegal immigration" means nothing in the context of refugees.

We need to find out who are refugees and grant those people asylum.
We need to be able to remove the other people.
We need to do this fairly.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/memorandum-of-understanding-mou-between-the-uk-and-rwanda/memorandum-of-understanding-between-the-government-of-the-united-kingdom-of-great-britain-and-northern-ireland-and-the-government-of-the-republic-of-r#:~:text=16%20Resettlement%20of%20vulnerable%20Refugees,better%20international%20protection%20for%20refugees.

Does anyone know more about the agreement in paragraph 16 for the UK to take vulnerable refugees from Rwanda and settle them here. How did these refugees arrive in Rwanda and why can't they settle there? We send Rwanda refugees and they send refugees to us. Is that it?

Katie59

“Billions of people just waiting to come to the U.K.”

This is an exaggeration of course the reality is that many millions from the third world would travel to the west TOMORROW if they could. If they speak English they just want to leave the grinding poverty they live in at home and move, not just to the U.K., US, Australia, NZ, in fact because English is now universal, anywhere with prospects.

Even that is an exaggeration something like 50% of displaced people have moved to the country immediately adjacent to their country of origin.

26% of people are displaced within their own country.

The vast amount of people who do seek asylum in any other country intend to move back home as soon as the situation settles.

There is only a tiny minority of those displaced persons who wish to move to another country for good.

So millions is a big exaggeration.

I find it ironic that the children of immigrants are the people pursuing this policy. Shouldn't their very progress and success highlight the value of immigrants to this country?
Lineker's tweet was so correct it is scary.
This is about the persecution of the Roma people www.hmd.org.uk/news/gypsy-roma-traveller-history-month-introduction/
This is taken from that piece When the Nazis came to power in Germany, they made use of the existing institutionalised racism and the system of state control and surveillance, switching the rhetoric from fighting crime to targeting a whole ethnic community on the explicit basis of race.
It still resonates.

Yes, it does. And I do wonder about anyone who can't, or won't, see it?

A photo today of Braverman on the first floor above the accommodation ready in Rwanda, with her head back. laughing like a **** (unprintable) just made me feel very sick.

As far as I am aware. No one said billions of people were waiting to come to the UK. What was actually said ( and NOT by the government) was that billions of people would be ENTITLED to come to the UK should they so wish. Which is not the same thing at all.

Fleurpepper

Yes, it does. And I do wonder about anyone who can't, or won't, see it?

A photo today of Braverman on the first floor above the accommodation ready in Rwanda, with her head back. laughing like a **** (unprintable) just made me feel very sick.

Are you are referring to the picture of SB on her own?

If so it has been photoshopped and the full photo was shown on multiple news bulletins this morning. SB is with three other people and they are all laughing and sharing a joke this has been confirmed by others who were present.

Lizbethann55

As far as I am aware. No one said billions of people were waiting to come to the UK. What was actually said ( and NOT by the government) was that billions of people would be ENTITLED to come to the UK should they so wish. Which is not the same thing at all.

This is a report on the interview between Braverman and Susannah Reid on the 8th March

The presenter interviewed the Home Secretary on Wednesday’s episode of GMB, following Braverman’s comments in the House of Commons which implied 100 million migrants wanted to illegally enter the country – and ‘billions’ more could be on the way.

Home Secretary Braverman had told the Commons that ‘one hundred million displaced around the world, and likely billions more eager to come here is possible.’

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

Yes, it does. And I do wonder about anyone who can't, or won't, see it?

A photo today of Braverman on the first floor above the accommodation ready in Rwanda, with her head back. laughing like a **** (unprintable) just made me feel very sick.

Are you are referring to the picture of SB on her own?

If so it has been photoshopped and the full photo was shown on multiple news bulletins this morning. SB is with three other people and they are all laughing and sharing a joke this has been confirmed by others who were present.

Makes no difference to me. So 3 sick people instead of 1.

4!

Totally agree Fleurpepper she’s a caricature of a human being
A daughter of economic immigrants nasty piece of work without a humanity bone in her body She needs to go and take Priti Patel with her and as many of the others as possible This country has gone so far downhill under these foul people

Very disturbing that the only press permitted on herRwanda trip were right wing. It's reminiscent of Trump.

Lizbethann55

As far as I am aware. No one said billions of people were waiting to come to the UK. What was actually said ( and NOT by the government) was that billions of people would be ENTITLED to come to the UK should they so wish. Which is not the same thing at all.

Splitting hairs there😄 but I would refer you to Braverman and her assurance that billions were waiting to arrive, and to associate that statement with the small boats issue is gas lighting isn’t it?

Glorianny

Very disturbing that the only press permitted on herRwanda trip were right wing. It's reminiscent of Trump.

The difference with Trump is that there is an article in their constitution that prevented Trump from restricting who attended his press things at the Whitehouse.

We have nothing in ours to stop a rogue government from freezing out any potential news network who might be critical of their policy.

Fleurpepper

Yes, it does. And I do wonder about anyone who can't, or won't, see it?

A photo today of Braverman on the first floor above the accommodation ready in Rwanda, with her head back. laughing like a **** (unprintable) just made me feel very sick.

Yes, I saw that photograph, it is all over Twitter.

the illegals don't have to come here should stay in SAFE FRANCE if they don't want to go to Rwanda they can catch the next small boat back where they came from. Personally sick of the funding they get

Jane1956, you are so brave!! I really think you should duck down below the parapet. Xxxxx

jane1956

the illegals don't have to come here should stay in SAFE FRANCE if they don't want to go to Rwanda they can catch the next small boat back where they came from. Personally sick of the funding they get

We take less than almost anywhere else in the world. So much for being a civilised nation.

jane1956

the illegals don't have to come here should stay in SAFE FRANCE if they don't want to go to Rwanda they can catch the next small boat back where they came from. Personally sick of the funding they get

Brave as a mother, desperate enough to put her children onto a small boat and risk their lives, in order to give them a life?

Of course. Posting anonymously on an online forum takes huge courage. 🙄🙄🙄

MayBee70

I have a theory that the government are deliberately housing migrants/ refugees in hotels and hostels in height profile places that aggravate the local population so that people in those areas will back their Rwanda proposal. As for not being able to access public services, that’s down to years and years of Tory cut backs. These people are just being used as scapegoats. I’m so ashamed of how the rest of the world views us now.

All the millions the Government is spending on sticking plasters should be directed towards processing applications as speedily as possible so that people can start work here instead of loving in limbo, or, if found not to pass the entry requirements, returned home again.

If the reason is that there are not enough trained staff to do this why are they not spending some of the millions on training more?

Sorry, living in limbo.
I'm sure they're not loving it.

NotSpaghetti

Oreo

If this plan to control illegal immigration works then Labour can kiss goodbye to getting the keys to Number 10.
Whatever anyone here thinks about it, it’ll be a huge vote winner.

Some of us think the term "illegal immigration" means nothing in the context of refugees.

We need to find out who are refugees and grant those people asylum.
We need to be able to remove the other people.
We need to do this fairly.

Your comments have no relevance to mine tho.

I wasn’t writing about GN ideas and values, but of the countrywide voting intentions.This plan will will appeal to millions, as the small boats have to be stopped somehow and if it works (IF) it will really give a boost to the Conservatives.
What’s Keir Starmer going to do about this huge problem?
Apart from criticism I haven’t heard what his plan will be.
Having compassion for the whole world is fine but not when it impacts the inhabitants of a country and governments have to put their own people first, it’s what they’re voted in to do.
There are so many people already in temporary homes and on waiting lists, B&B’s, and so many on waiting lists for NHS
Ops,procedures, needing a GP or a dentist or school for their children actually near to where they live. A big part of this may well have been caused by poor policies of the Tories, but there’s also been other causes and we are where we are.Adding
45,000 coming in on boats who need housing and feeding to it, and that’s only in one year and you see the problem.

The problem has been escalating year after year under this government. The break down of our relationship with France (the only country that can help us ) because of brexit hasn’t exactly helped matters.

Labour, specifically Yvette Cooper, have said that they condemn the people traffickers, the criminals that are making a fortune out of other people's fears and misery. She has also said that all people arriving here must be processed humanely, and efficiently and then permitted to work and contribute to the economy or returned from whence they came. I really don't see why anyone, of any political persuasion, apart from maybe the hard of thinking on the extreme right of politics, would disagree with this policy.

Everyone agrees that the traffickers have to be stopped, the escalating costs of keeping asylum seekers locked up for a year or more is madness, the difference is in who gets the blame for the situation and who has a sensible plan to resolve it.

Callistemon21

MayBee70

I have a theory that the government are deliberately housing migrants/ refugees in hotels and hostels in height profile places that aggravate the local population so that people in those areas will back their Rwanda proposal. As for not being able to access public services, that’s down to years and years of Tory cut backs. These people are just being used as scapegoats. I’m so ashamed of how the rest of the world views us now.

All the millions the Government is spending on sticking plasters should be directed towards processing applications as speedily as possible so that people can start work here instead of loving in limbo, or, if found not to pass the entry requirements, returned home again.

If the reason is that there are not enough trained staff to do this why are they not spending some of the millions on training more?

I think both of these posts reflect how I feel on this subject. There of course needs to be a process to check eligibility to enter the UK, this process needs to be fair and easily accessible.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/

This is a very interesting read from the University of Oxford, for those who want to consider themselves informed on the subject, rather than those who read the Government skewed headlines - includes:

* In 2014 87% of asylum applications were processed within 6 months.

* In 2021 6% of asylum applications were processed within 6 months. 19% within 12 months. 53% within 18 months.

Of course there have been far more applications since 2014; there has been an increase in staff to process the applications but a Report in 2021 (as from the above link) shows that asylum caseworker staff have been "inadequately trained"; there is low moral and a subsequent high turnover of caseworkers.

And yes, it is mainly young men seeking a better, brighter future - wasn't it always thus?

The Mayflower launched in 1620 with 102 passengers, 74 male and 28 female, with a crew of 50 men. "seeking to establish a colony in the New World where they could preserve their identities but practice their religion without interference from the English government or church"

Point at the Government if there are no appointments at GP's, Dentists, if there is limited affordable housing, school places, waiting lists at Hospitals.