Boris Johnson

Oreo

Late seventies.

I live in a pretty ordinary mixed neighbourhood too.
Plenty of rule breaking here.

This is simply irrelevant unless it is on a thread about those who were not running the country and setting those rules, breaking them.

To go back to Johnson. In a recent YouGov poll, there was no demographic, be it region, age, previous voting, gender or social class, etc., where a majority say they don't believe he lied.

The only group who do is "leave" voters when the polsters split them into leave/remain. This probably explains the attitude of those like UG, who still think the referendum was for or against a mythical Brexit and not, as it actually was, a Leave or Remain vote. They also seem to believe that no one but Johnson can turn the myth into reality. I wonder when they will accept that they now have what they voted for and that only a very small minority of extremists and crazy people want to take this any further. Even Johnson cannot do this. His political career is finished. These people, MPs included, know that if he goes, their far right Brexit goes too.

Anyone want to take issue with what Galaxy says about seeing rule breaking going on?
It happened, stop pretending it didn’t.
I expect those of us still working saw more of it than others.

Fleurpepper

OH FFS! Just because we are in our 70s doesn't mean we live an isolate life and are not fully aware of wht goes on around us. My ACs are late 40s and early 50s- and we talked about what was happening around them right through the pandemic.

Most of my good friends are much younger than me too.

I'm 61. I was 58 when COVID came, and still working full time.

Am I to consider myself young? 🤣🤪

OH FFS! Just because we are in our 70s doesn't mean we live an isolate life and are not fully aware of wht goes on around us. My ACs are late 40s and early 50s- and we talked about what was happening around them right through the pandemic.

Most of my good friends are much younger than me too.

Galaxy

I dont think it has any relevance to Johnsons behaviour but I was working in all but the first lockdown, and was aware of quite a lot of rule breaking. I am not going to pretend things didnt happen that did. But if those people had been 'caught' they would have faced consequences, and Johnson is facing his consequences now.

Quite rightly.

Late 70’s?
I should think that’s reasonable from what I’ve read on here that quite a lot are.
Nothing wrong with that.It does mean though, that being retired and worried about Covid they didn’t know quite as much that went on during the lockdowns.

A lot of posters on this site are around my Mum’s age.

Another unverifiable assertion.

flwuned

Well, I don't know where that came from, even autocorrect didn't notice.

Flaunted

Greta

Surely it's irrelevant how many 'ordinary' people broke lockdown rules. If we continue to refer to this we are in fact
excusing Boris Johnson & Co.

I agree, it is irrelevant.

What is relevant is that those who made the rules for the public to follow were the ones who flwuned them

The old adage "Do as I say, not as I do" is what happened.

I remember that it was a matter of great amusement to Government press secretaries and aides that they broke the rules on parties and gatherings.

As far as Johnson and his crew were concerned, the rules were only for the little people. Oh - and for the Head of State.

I can tell you that younger people were nowhere near as careful

I can only tell you about those young people whom I know and the ones I know did not break the rules.

I dont think it has any relevance to Johnsons behaviour but I was working in all but the first lockdown, and was aware of quite a lot of rule breaking. I am not going to pretend things didnt happen that did. But if those people had been 'caught' they would have faced consequences, and Johnson is facing his consequences now.

Oreo 'Does that detract from Boris Johnson and investigation? No.'

so what is the point of mentionning it then? And be so rude about age.

You say it went unreported, and a bit before that would would not have reported neighbours as we are not in 1984!

Life and death of so many were put at risk by those t***s- and I can tell you, if after driving a whole day to be with family at Christmas and spending hundreds of pounds for testing and more testing- to then not be able to be with both DDs, GCs and their partners- on Christmas day, I would have had NO hesitation whatsoever in reporting them if next door was having a party. NONE. Because we were in 2021, and the middle of a deadly pandemic.

Oreo

It will only sound like a justification for Johnson for the hard of thinking MaizieD or those who can’t actually read.
Am guessing you fit into the older age bracket like Mum, who never saw any rule breaking around her.

Oof! Bit rude there....

maizie late 70s 😄😄😄😄

One lot of rule breaking occurred in our local community - someone called the police and the party was stopped - someone had had the bright idea of holding it in the road - there is a chap who runs a mobile disco, so I’m guessing it was him. It was all going splendidly with lots of youngsters breaking the rules, but socially distanced - off they went with a flea in their ear- not sure if the disco man was fined etc.
The police were following Johnson’s guidelines, and the person who reported it also knew what the guidelines were - and I’m 100% sure so did disco man and fellow party enthusiasts, they took the telling off with good grace (I knew this because all the neighbours were watching out of their windows - having not a lot else to do during lockdown😄)

Just like Johnson knew but denied - if it looks like a party and sounds like a party.

IT IS A PARTY.

Late seventies.

I live in a pretty ordinary mixed neighbourhood too.
Plenty of rule breaking here.

Am guessing you fit into the older age bracket like Mum, who never saw any rule breaking around her.

You do make me feel old, Oreo. How old is your mum?

I live in a pretty ordinary mixed neighbourhood, old people and young. Nothing rule breaking happened here.

HousePlantQueen

*Oreo*, whether or not your neighbour had a party in their garden, or a wedding was busted (I remember a discussion on here about one in particular), this isn't the basis of Johnson's hearing. Despite what his dwindling band of supporters will try to imply, this is to do with Parliament, procedure, truth and democracy, not whether Johnson had a glass of wine.

What we all did, or didn't do during lockdown is over, some survived it, some did not, and many still suffer from poor mental health as a result of it, many will never forgive the government for partying while their relatives died alone. These are facts which most of us, hopefully, can agree on.

Wednesday was about whether the head of an elected government misled the HoC, whether he misled your MP, and mine, which we elected to represent our interests, this is an essential element of Parliamentary democracy.

A point of interest; my constituency MP is Sir Bernard Jenkins, not a particularily good constituency MP, an ERG member to boot, but I was very pleased with the professional, courteous way he questioned Johnson on Wednesday. He did not allow his mutual Brexit support, his ERG membership to distract him from the point of the committee hearing.

Since I agree with you and have said as much in loads of my posts on here am starting to think posters don’t actually read much, just one post then rush in with a wrong judgement.
In fact, that’s social media in a nutshell come to think of it.😂
I mention the rule breaking as several posters way upthread didn’t seem to think anything much went on. It did.
Does that detract from Boris Johnson and investigation? No.

volver3

And they say I'm rude.... 🤪

Some people get special attention, volver 😂

And they say I'm rude.... 🤪

It will only sound like a justification for Johnson for the hard of thinking MaizieD or those who can’t actually read.
Am guessing you fit into the older age bracket like Mum, who never saw any rule breaking around her.

Oreo, whether or not your neighbour had a party in their garden, or a wedding was busted (I remember a discussion on here about one in particular), this isn't the basis of Johnson's hearing. Despite what his dwindling band of supporters will try to imply, this is to do with Parliament, procedure, truth and democracy, not whether Johnson had a glass of wine.

What we all did, or didn't do during lockdown is over, some survived it, some did not, and many still suffer from poor mental health as a result of it, many will never forgive the government for partying while their relatives died alone. These are facts which most of us, hopefully, can agree on.

Wednesday was about whether the head of an elected government misled the HoC, whether he misled your MP, and mine, which we elected to represent our interests, this is an essential element of Parliamentary democracy.

A point of interest; my constituency MP is Sir Bernard Jenkins, not a particularily good constituency MP, an ERG member to boot, but I was very pleased with the professional, courteous way he questioned Johnson on Wednesday. He did not allow his mutual Brexit support, his ERG membership to distract him from the point of the committee hearing.

Greta

Surely it's irrelevant how many 'ordinary' people broke lockdown rules. If we continue to refer to this we are in fact
excusing Boris Johnson & Co.

It is indeed irrelevant, as I said in my post.

But this 'many people broke the rules' thing, based on hearsay and news items, is annoying. It implies a widespread phenomenon but has no real evidence base.And despite Oreo's protestations it sounds like a justification for Johnson.

OTOH I'm sure that 'some' people broke the rules. One never expects 100% compliance.

Oreo

HousePlantQueen

Johnson's behaviour was unacceptable.
Johnson lied to the HoC
Johnson has been tried by parliamentary procedure.
Nobody, but nobody is above the rule of law.even if a few deluded individuals think that getting Brexit done gives you carte blanche to break the law, even after you set it.
The members of the committee were doing their job.
You paid for Johnson's defence, so did I, but unwillingly.
I did not break lockdown rules.
Stop judging the rest of us based on what you find acceptable, most intelligent people know a liar when we see one and care a great deal about democracy.

Who are you talking to?
If it’s me, use the quote facility.
I’ve been clear all along, Boris Johnson and all in number ten who had parties or get togethers were wrong just as all those who partied and got together in the country were wrong.
Being the government who set the rules made Boris and pals even more wrong tbh.
Many people stayed within lockdown rules but OMG very many sure didn’t.

No, I wasn't addressing you directly, Oreo, if I had been I would have said so. I am also perfectly aware of how quotations, italics, etc work. Thank you.

MaizieD

If you're not prepared to back up your assertions with some attempt at quantifying how many people 'broke the rules', that's fine by me,*Oreo*. It just doesn't really help to validate what you are claiming.

Rubbish.
There’s no way of checking.You think people volunteered to out themselves?
Am guessing that most older people were better at obeying rules as they also didn’t want to catch it.
A lot of posters on this site are around my Mum’s age.
I can tell you that younger people were nowhere near as careful.
It should be possible to say this and condemn Boris and others for what they did, and glad to see him investigated over it.
It’s not hard to hold these two thoughts in the mind.