Peter Murrell arrested

Oops. Forgot the Greens. Tiny number of voters and currently prop up the SNP and have massively disproportionate influence on matters up here.

Sadly when it comes to elections up here independence is the major factor. It seems to excuse the SNP from actually dealing with the key aspects of their job such as Health, Education, the economy etc etc etc.
There's only SNP and Alba pro independence.

But, Aveline, doesn’t that assume that independence is the only factor that features in Scottish politics?

Also, aren’t there two pro-independence parties (excluding Alba)?

So in other words, more people vote SNP than vote for any of the other parties and the only way they can draw equal is by ganging up together.

SNP only benefits because the opposition to independence is split three ways. Their combined total exceeds the SNP vote. Just think, tactical voting could make a big difference

Dear me. The deletions... 😜

Hermother

^How many members did the Tory party have when it won the 2019 election?^

Is that the whataboutery you mentioned earlier? If you want to discuss the Tory party, you'll need to start a new thread.

I am not discussing the Tory party. I am providing indicative figures to illustrate the point that membership and popularity with voters are not synonymous.

But if it makes you happier:

SNP membership c70,000 (lowest figure quoted in this thread), votes in 2019 general election 1,242,380.

How many members did the Tory party have when it won the 2019 election?

Is that the whataboutery you mentioned earlier? If you want to discuss the Tory party, you'll need to start a new thread.

However, under pressure to be more transparent about who will vote in its leadership contest, the SNP yesterday revealed its membership was 72,186, or just over 30,000 down on the figure reported in the SNP’s accounts
But was that information in the newspapers? That will never do!
Some posters will be back any minute now with funny, sweet and bless.

Thanks Siope 😊

volvet3, indeed. And while you were postin, I was looking up those stats.

Conservative members c172,000. Votes in 2019 election c13 million.

Cross post Siope

How many members did the Tory party have when it won the 2019 election?

It's votes that matter, not members.

If so many people were disillusioned with the SNP long before 2 years ago, how do you explain them increasing their number of seats in the Scottish Parliament in 2021?

But membership and popularity with voters are two different things.

can you help me understand how the SNP "have lost an awful lot of support in recent years?

Certainly volver, happy to help. This is from the Herald Scotland:

On 12 February, the Sunday Mail’s John Ferguson reported up to 30,000 SNP members had quit over controversial gender reforms and a lack of progress on independence.
At the time, the most up-to-date figure for SNP members was 103,883, the number at 31st December 2021 given in the party’s annual accounts.

A party spokesperson said at the time: “The 30,000 figure that was reported is not just flat wrong, it’s wrong by about 30,000. As the SNP clearly stated when asked, fewer than 300 members have left the party over the period and they have been replaced by the same number of new members. “This story is both malicious and wholly inaccurate. Fortunately, few people are gullible enough to believe it.”

SNP media chief Murray Foote, a former Daily Record editor, also rubbished the story on Twitter, calling it “drivel” and repeating the official denial. However, under pressure to be more transparent about who will vote in its leadership contest, the SNP yesterday revealed its membership was 72,186, or just over 30,000 down on the figure reported in the SNP’s accounts.

It would seem that their was considerably more than "disillusionment" regarding several issues within the SNP, long before the current investigation began 2 years ago.

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But it’s true.
The English didn’t vote to keep you ‘tied to us’ or whatever phrase you like to use, the people of Scotland voted for it.
For what it’s worth, if I’d been given a vote in the future of Scotland ( being English & living in England ) I’d have voted for your independence & happily waved you off.

Well, that's taken a turn... 🤣

There’s no point getting annoyed with me, ( or ‘the English’) it’s the people of Scotland who voted against independence.
Be angry with your people.

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Just saying something doesn't make it true

I’m not the one saying it - the endless press reports are
Oh Volver you are funny.
I can almost see your frustration flying out of my screen.

I do think things will decline for SNP support, at least temporarily, and some people will feel disillusioned.

Labour could become more popular again. But they have to acknowledge that the Indy genie is out of the bottle.

But please, whilst you are making forecasts about other countries' politics, just remember this.

The SNP are a pro-independence party. The Labour Party is a Unionist party, run from "down south" with a branch manager in charge up here. That's important.

Also, remember that there are other pro-Indy parties.😲

I think the SNP are on a downward spiral now, and that not only will lots of people feel disillusioned with them but that Labour will become a more popular party in Scotland.😃

Aveline

I'm just back from shopping. I wish I'd photographed the news stand. Every newspaper headline about Murrell was splashed over the front pages along with screeds of text. Journalists are having a field day. Obviously didn't have the benefit of Volver's early youth!

😂
It’s the bit about wee bairns knowing not to talk that made me laugh.

Aye, that's true. I've never been a member. Voted consistently SNP for more than 10 years.

What's your point?