A Home Secretary unfit for Purpose

winterwhite

*Casdon*. Of course I should have said predominantly Asian men abusing predominantly white girls. I made it plain that I was talking about the large scandals involving 'groups' of men operating together, not general prevalence in the community.

Growstuff I don't think your comment below Casdon's was called for by anything I wrote.

Here’s an account of the case I was thinking of when I said it was often mixed ethnicity winterwhite. Both the perpetrators and the victims were of various ethnic backgrounds.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-uk-britain-newcastle-serious-case-review-operation-sanctuary-shelter-muslim-asian-a8225106.html
Unfortunately perpetrators find each other, and often work together, age, sex, ethnic group are immaterial to them.

fancythat

^A Home Office report found that Pakistanis weren't over-represented amongst paedophiles, the overwhelming majority of whom are white British males. Funny how the media didn't have much to say about that report!^

I havent seen the report.

Is it overwhelming because there are 65 million white people and 4 million not? Or whatever the figures are.
Or did the statisitics take that into account? If you see what I mean.

You make a good point there.

It’s well known that British Pakistani groups of men in various cities and towns had been allowed to get away with their grooming gangs as police and teachers and social workers didn’t want to be called racist.The law has to be followed no matter what colour and ethnic background the perps are.
Of course there are white gangs as well but are there less given that the greater amount percentage wise in Britain are white?
No good doing the ‘be kind and non racist’ act when the facts are in front of you.
It’s mainly men in grooming gangs in any case, a true statement.
Hoping that wokery won’t get in the way of future arrests.

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Yes but sometimes in real life you have to act first.
If it is not hyperthetical and a loved one is in danger instincts rule to protect

Sometimes its good to be outside the emotional side of things in order to make sensible decisions.

pinkquartz

volver3

you confirm my guess that this is broadly hyperthetical for you.
I have strong mother and grandmother emotions that rule and inform my opinions on certain topics.

I won't continue though. too tired now.

How the heck does being a mother an grandmother make anybody a racist?

volver3

you confirm my guess that this is broadly hyperthetical for you.
I have strong mother and grandmother emotions that rule and inform my opinions on certain topics.

I won't continue though. too tired now.

Present company excepted, obviously! 🤣

volver3

I don't think I'm better than you. I think we're different in many ways though.

I don't think I'm anything like the English. 🤣 (Sorry, joke, no doubt some will get it, some won't..)

So stop making assumptions about me, although it does seem to be a recurring theme with you.

Oi! I'm English!

winterwhite

*Casdon*. Of course I should have said predominantly Asian men abusing predominantly white girls. I made it plain that I was talking about the large scandals involving 'groups' of men operating together, not general prevalence in the community.

Growstuff I don't think your comment below Casdon's was called for by anything I wrote.

My opinion is as good as yours.

I don't think I'm better than you. I think we're different in many ways though.

I don't think I'm anything like the English. 🤣 (Sorry, joke, no doubt some will get it, some won't..)

So stop making assumptions about me, although it does seem to be a recurring theme with you.

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Volver3

You cannot help me. full stop. You speak without direct experience.

You think you are better than me and you think you are more liberal and tolerant.
But you are not. you are naive and I don't hink you last comment even made sense.

Different cultures have different views. When i wrote all of you.......I meant white so called liberals who lack understanding of other cultures. I believe you think all people are like the English. It is not so.
Open you eyes and see the terrible things done to females in diferent parts if the world.

It is heart breaking.

Casdon. Of course I should have said predominantly Asian men abusing predominantly white girls. I made it plain that I was talking about the large scandals involving 'groups' of men operating together, not general prevalence in the community.

Growstuff I don't think your comment below Casdon's was called for by anything I wrote.

Wyllow3

I'm sure Elizabeth McDonnell would feel the same if it were a white grooming gang, Primrose.

Your post proves nothing. We have all agreed that it is is appalling for the victims, that race should to be a consideration in prosecuting.

What you are missing is that was already the case and made very public -*before Bravermans statement*

that is the reason most her have picked up on it, because it IS inflammatory and racist and appeals to the worst in voters. which is her intention, and truly, worries me deeply when we are trying to heal a divided nation.

Exactly *Wyllow3 it IS inflammatory, it IS racist and it IS intentional, the aim is to divide the nation even more so that they have a 'vague chance' of staying in government in the next election, pure and simple.

And if your young teen DD or DGD...

I'm child free.

Also, I don't think you know what "White Supremacist" means. So I won't report you for suggesting that I am one.

Some of us don't seem to understand that stereotyping works both ways.
white females can also be judged in ways you might not like.
If you live in your safe ivory tower you will never know how you are perceived. And if your young teen DD or DGD has no connection to certain parts of a town or city you just won't experience what I have.

The point I want to make is why are you so arrogant that your view is the only one? Are you being a bit white supremist ? Thinking you views are the correct ones? Other people se the world differently.
Which is why tyhere is a problem. Different cultures want to live in different ways and not all are tolerant ones.

Pinkquartz

You said: British Pakistani men are racist towards white girls and women.
You later said: all of you who think all people are the same are very naive.

If you don’t see the irony in those two statements, I can’t help you.

It’s no wonder female MP’s get so much abuse online

Fair comment, actually.

Suella Braverman is a nasty stain in public life

Yes, absolutely awful thing to say.
I actually reported that post.
It’s no wonder female MP’s get so much abuse online when you read comments like that on a grandparents site.

volver3

Maybe I should have said that my opinion is based on first hand experience. And is meant to apply to one part of a religion, not all people of an entire religion.

Of course white people are also guilty.But we are still mostly a white person nation so it isn't really surprising. People are often really horrible. Not all people but enough to make the world a dodgy place.

One way of surviving is to know how people behave.

I see that some of us just don't want to know the truth that
Not all migrants are wanting to assimilate.

I have had direct experience over four years. Do you? or do you just read about it?

"In a post making sweeping statements about how British Pakistani men behave this sentence wins the prize for Least Self Aware Post of the Week"

So you just insult anyone with a different view to yours do you? Volver3

Pathetic

Nicola Sturgeon doesn't victimise Asians for her own ends, dream of deporting people to Rwanda and pretend she doesn't know that refugees get shot there.

How would you describe her?

volver3 Suella Braverman is a nasty stain in public life

What a horrible thing to say about anyone. Imagine if someone had described Nicola Sturgeon thus.

Casdon

winterwhite

Going back to the OP, yes, it’s extraordinary and inexcusable that the Home Secretary was conflating the scandals of 20 years ago with the events of last week.

But it is not right to pretend that those scandals were not what they were - Asian men abusing white girls. It is true that police and social workers were told by their chiefs to hold back for fear of being accused of racial discrimination, and that their task was made more difficult by the refusal of the girls to complain in any formal way. All that has changed now thank goodness, but it doesn’t help progress to pretend that processes then were the same as they are now.

For the avoidance of doubt, yes I do think we need a trustworthy competent HS, and no, I don’t think we’ve got one.

They weren’t just white girls, people keep repeating that, but it’s not true. They were vulnerable girls from a range of different ethnic groups, and in some cases, boys as well.

Oh, don't spoil their story for them! The blinkers have filtered out the truth.

fancythat

growstuff

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

What a doom monger!

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. Both of us had white husbands. People divorce for all sorts of reasons and I don't see that the colour of a person's skin has anything to do with it.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. Neither has a faith. My daughter's future husband is culturally as British as most people.

I can't stand stereotyping based on somebody's skin colour or ethnic background.

Just asking a question. If neither has faith, does that make the man that she is marrying, a Muslim?

I didn't write that he's a Muslim, but that he comes from a Muslim family. Nevertheless, he's ethnically an Arab and his appearance (skin colour) and name reflects that. The people who would like to stereotype and put people in boxes would consider he's Muslim. He's certainly experienced discrimination and my daughter has been the object of snide, racist comments.

He's as much a Muslim as my daughter is a Christian - the difference is that he has brown skin, whereas she has white skin.

Braverman's singling out of the Pakistani grooming gangs will further fuel stereotyping. She should be on a mission to eradicate all child abuse, but she's chosen one small section of it as a weapon in the Conservatives' cultural wars - and it's obvious even from some comments on GN that she's hit home.