A Home Secretary unfit for Purpose

winterwhite

Going back to the OP, yes, it’s extraordinary and inexcusable that the Home Secretary was conflating the scandals of 20 years ago with the events of last week.

But it is not right to pretend that those scandals were not what they were - Asian men abusing white girls. It is true that police and social workers were told by their chiefs to hold back for fear of being accused of racial discrimination, and that their task was made more difficult by the refusal of the girls to complain in any formal way. All that has changed now thank goodness, but it doesn’t help progress to pretend that processes then were the same as they are now.

For the avoidance of doubt, yes I do think we need a trustworthy competent HS, and no, I don’t think we’ve got one.

They weren’t just white girls, people keep repeating that, but it’s not true. They were vulnerable girls from a range of different ethnic groups, and in some cases, boys as well.

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. We both had white husbands. I don't see that my daughter's future husband's ethnicity has anything to do with it. Marriages break down for all sorts of reasons.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and her future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. I didn't say he is a Muslim. I said he comes from a Muslim family - there's a difference. Neither my daughter nor her future husband have any faith. Ethnically, he's an Arab, but culturally he's no different from any other British person. I can't stand the stereotyping, just because people have skin of a different colour.

Going back to the OP, yes, it’s extraordinary and inexcusable that the Home Secretary was conflating the scandals of 20 years ago with the events of last week.

But it is not right to pretend that those scandals were not what they were - Asian men abusing white girls. It is true that police and social workers were told by their chiefs to hold back for fear of being accused of racial discrimination, and that their task was made more difficult by the refusal of the girls to complain in any formal way. All that has changed now thank goodness, but it doesn’t help progress to pretend that processes then were the same as they are now.

For the avoidance of doubt, yes I do think we need a trustworthy competent HS, and no, I don’t think we’ve got one.

volver3

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

growstuff

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

What a doom monger!

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. Both of us had white husbands. People divorce for all sorts of reasons and I don't see that the colour of a person's skin has anything to do with it.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. Neither has a faith. My daughter's future husband is culturally as British as most people.

I can't stand stereotyping based on somebody's skin colour or ethnic background.

Just asking a question. If neither has faith, does that make the man that she is marrying, a Muslim?

I wouldn't have thought so, - so British I would guess.

Crikey.

It is possible to be Muslim and British.

What's going on in people's minds today?

That is not what was asked volver3

Glorianny

Well I suppose he comes from a Muslim family and the reference was to do with the concept of cultural identity influencing behaviour.
It's another thread really but there are more non-religious people in the UK now than ever before. This article says only the UK and Iran have clerics in their legislature!!!! humanists.uk/2022/11/29/non-religious-surge-37-tick-no-religion-in-2021-census-uk-among-least-religious-countries-in-the-world/

Yes I was going to mention cultural influence but thought like you it is another thread. Very interesting though.

Whitewavemark2

If you have no faith how can you be Muslim? I have no faith and am not a Christian, I am British and a humanist A person from India who has no faith is not a Hindu or Muslim they are Indian and whatever she describes herself to be.

That's what I thought, too.

If he's a Muslim who has 'given up' the faith he might have been born into, and was born here, surely he's just, well... British?

Well I suppose he comes from a Muslim family and the reference was to do with the concept of cultural identity influencing behaviour.
It's another thread really but there are more non-religious people in the UK now than ever before. This article says only the UK and Iran have clerics in their legislature!!!! humanists.uk/2022/11/29/non-religious-surge-37-tick-no-religion-in-2021-census-uk-among-least-religious-countries-in-the-world/

Look at a persons DNA - there is nothing that will tell you what faith they do or do not follow.

If you have no faith how can you be Muslim? I have no faith and am not a Christian, I am British and a humanist A person from India who has no faith is not a Hindu or Muslim they are Indian and whatever she describes herself to be.

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

growstuff

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

What a doom monger!

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. Both of us had white husbands. People divorce for all sorts of reasons and I don't see that the colour of a person's skin has anything to do with it.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. Neither has a faith. My daughter's future husband is culturally as British as most people.

I can't stand stereotyping based on somebody's skin colour or ethnic background.

Just asking a question. If neither has faith, does that make the man that she is marrying, a Muslim?

I wouldn't have thought so, - so British I would guess.

Crikey.

It is possible to be Muslim and British.

What's going on in people's minds today?

fancythat

growstuff

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

What a doom monger!

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. Both of us had white husbands. People divorce for all sorts of reasons and I don't see that the colour of a person's skin has anything to do with it.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. Neither has a faith. My daughter's future husband is culturally as British as most people.

I can't stand stereotyping based on somebody's skin colour or ethnic background.

Just asking a question. If neither has faith, does that make the man that she is marrying, a Muslim?

I wouldn't have thought so, - so British I would guess.

In the 5 days since the Home Sec's recent divisive comments (not supported by PM!) on CSE 31 white people have been charged in a number of investigations in Walsall (21 people of which 7 women) and Bolton (10 men) The National Police Chiefs’ Council’s lead on child sexual abuse emphasised that “child abusers come from all parts of our society”.
More importantly the NSPCC 2020 report highlighted a 57% increase in CSE the last 5 years - resulting in 200 children a day being abused.
However you have to go back to the Home Secretary's intention in her comments. Why do you think she makes these false remarks?
Personally instead condoning her hatred, I’d prefer to see solutions to lower these horrific statistics which have gone up significantly on this government’s watch

growstuff

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

What a doom monger!

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. Both of us had white husbands. People divorce for all sorts of reasons and I don't see that the colour of a person's skin has anything to do with it.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. Neither has a faith. My daughter's future husband is culturally as British as most people.

I can't stand stereotyping based on somebody's skin colour or ethnic background.

Just asking a question. If neither has faith, does that make the man that she is marrying, a Muslim?

growstuff

Well said Fleurpepper.

Seconded

Well said Fleurpepper.

Sparklefizz

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

What a doom monger!

I'm divorced. My mother divorced twice. Both of us had white husbands. People divorce for all sorts of reasons and I don't see that the colour of a person's skin has anything to do with it.

I'm extremely happy that my daughter and future husband love each other. They've lived together for seven years. Neither has a faith. My daughter's future husband is culturally as British as most people.

I can't stand stereotyping based on somebody's skin colour or ethnic background.

Dinahmo is right..
I recently gave evidence in a court about a man (the uncle) grooming and abusing his 13 year old niece , eventually she had the guts to tell her friend, my daughter, it happened several times at her Grandmother's house while on School holidays.
My daughter was so upset she told me, I had to became the responsible Adult who had to set the ball rolling. Its been traumatic for her family and especially her.
He was a sick white man.
The Police told me thankfully most of this type of case that gets to court is reported by a family member or friend of the family. Pleased to say, he got a 5 years.

No one is forgetting anything (except perhaps Suella, who obviously should know better)

I think that some of you are forgetting the abuse children suffer from family and friends - from the ONS

"Around 4 in 10 (39%) of victims of physical abuse in their childhood were abused by their father. A further 29% were abused by their mother, 12% by a partner or previous partner3 and, 10% by step-father and 10% by another family member
4.4 Aug 2016"

The above is taken from an ONS report into child abuse and neglect in the UK

maddyone

Volver
Maybe we’re talking at cross purposes but the majority of the the population in the UK is white.

I’m intrigued, how on earth are you hanging curtains and commenting on Gransnet? I’ve heard of multi tasking but…….

If you assume that there are no other factors at play then you might think that it was obvious that the percentage of offenders' ethnicities should match the percentage of ethnicities in the population.

However, things to take into account:

Percentages will vary as more offenders are identified.
Some offenders are more likely to be caught than others.
Police make the judgement about ethnicity in general, so they are introducing bias.
Then data is more than 10 years old and comes from fewer than half the Police Forces.

Some quotes:

there was limited research on offender identity and poor quality data, which made it difficult to draw conclusions, however "it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending"

Another issue is that the ethnicity of the offender is recorded by police officers rather than self-assessed, and uses broad definitions, such as "Asian". The 2020 Home Office report found this could result in offenders being classed as "Asian" while being from other backgrounds.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096

As for the hanging curtains - supermultitasking! They're up now

growstuff My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

I hope things work out for her. My daughter married a Muslim and absolutely did recognise the stereotype. They are now divorced.

Volver
Maybe we’re talking at cross purposes but the majority of the the population in the UK is white.

I’m intrigued, how on earth are you hanging curtains and commenting on Gransnet? I’ve heard of multi tasking but…….

Siope I agree with you in that the lack of prominence given to white gangs may well make it easier for them to recruit young girls.

maddyone

Of course abuse offenders are most commonly white. No one’s disputing that. It’s obvious because most of the population is white.

No its not.

I'm hanging curtains. I'll find the percentages later.

Unfortunately there doesn’t appear to be any percentages quoted and so it’s actually impossible to make proper comparisons.