A Home Secretary unfit for Purpose

Kandinsky

Just because a white child abuse gang has been arrested doesn’t excuse the many many many Pakistani men who have groomed & raped young white girls. ( I wonder why they only targeted white children? )

Suella Braverman is exactly what we need, someone who isn’t afraid to tell the truth.

And while you’re falling over yourselves trying to gloss over the damage these Asian grooming gangs have done ( or whatever it is this thread is trying to do? ) spare a thought for the child victims.

Oh Knadinsky, who on earth has said that we don't think of the vicitims.

All victims. Not just the ones abused by Pakistani men. But the vast majority, not just a few of them- not just 'a white child abuse gang' ...

And that is the very point, Suella Braverman is not telling the truth- she has deliberately chosen to target some groups of abusers, and make it all sound as if they are the only ones- to suit her agenda.

It was very wrong that the Pakistani men were not prosecuted earlier, for fear of reprisals and accusations of racism. WRONG, absolutely and totally, and lessons have been learnt. But abuse goes on, and all abusers target vulnerable girls, with many problems, often from a series of childrens' homes and run-aways, and many who have drug and other issues, desperate for attention, and many who have tragically already prostituted themselves. Desperate kids, in desperate circumstances, that the Social Services have often failed.

Braverman is a walking, talking right-wing dog whistle.

And one of the biggest problems with her comment is that it increases the risk to kids, because it makes it easier for white sexual exploitation gangs to be overlooked.

Of course abuse offenders are most commonly white. No one’s disputing that. It’s obvious because most of the population is white.

maddyone

Has anyone said white people don’t abuse?
I don’t think they have, and we know they abuse.
I don’t understand your apparent anger. All abuse angers me.

All abuse angers me as well.
But I'm also angry that we have a Home Secretary who is responsible for prosecuting offenders who apparently either doesn't know, or doesn't care, about white abusers because she is busy making inaccurate racist comments, which she undoubtedly thinks will win her votes, She is, as I posted, unfit for purpose and she should go.

maddyone

I think we all agree that child abuse, perpetrated by anyone of any colour or culture or class is wrong. Of course white perpetrators are the majority; white people are the majority in the country. We’d have to know the percentages to be have any kind of truth, not just being told that the majority are white, which of course they are.
All abusers are nasty, cruel people. All abusers must be prosecuted and feel the full weight of the law whatever their colour, class, or culture. Where I understand that things went wrong with in some situations is that the children weren’t believed or were ignored. This is now known to be because the authorities were afraid of being called racist. This must never happen again. All offenders regardless of colour must be prosecuted.

The Home Office research says that although several high-profile grooming cases, including Rotherham, Rochdale, and Telford mainly involved men of Pakistani ethnicity but “links between ethnicity and this form of offending” could not be proven.

“Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE) offenders are most commonly white," the report said.

www.geo.tv/latest/325589-home-office-trashes-stereotype-of-pakistanis-behind-sex-grooming-gangs

I'm sure Elizabeth McDonnell would feel the same if it were a white grooming gang, Primrose.

Your post proves nothing. We have all agreed that it is is appalling for the victims, that race should to be a consideration in prosecuting.

What you are missing is that was already the case and made very public -*before Bravermans statement*

that is the reason most her have picked up on it, because it IS inflammatory and racist and appeals to the worst in voters. which is her intention, and truly, worries me deeply when we are trying to heal a divided nation.

Has anyone said white people don’t abuse?
I don’t think they have, and we know they abuse.
I don’t understand your apparent anger. All abuse angers me.

So are all those posting about Asian gangs ignoring the children abused by white people?

But this thread isn't about them
It is about a Home Secretary who has deliberately ignored a Home Office report and police opinion as well as a high level abuse case (well cases actually, the matter being so complicated more than one trial was necessary) and produced an inaccurate, racist article days before details of a white child abusing ring were released.
It is bad enough that she is racist, but perpetuating the myth that white people don't do it could mean more child abusers get away with it.

I think we all agree that child abuse, perpetrated by anyone of any colour or culture or class is wrong. Of course white perpetrators are the majority; white people are the majority in the country. We’d have to know the percentages to be have any kind of truth, not just being told that the majority are white, which of course they are.
All abusers are nasty, cruel people. All abusers must be prosecuted and feel the full weight of the law whatever their colour, class, or culture. Where I understand that things went wrong with in some situations is that the children weren’t believed or were ignored. This is now known to be because the authorities were afraid of being called racist. This must never happen again. All offenders regardless of colour must be prosecuted.

Nobody is not considering the young kids.

The thread is about how Braverman uses lies and deceit to further her own ends.

Trying to make out that people are ignoring the innocent is from the Right Wing Playbook, and I suspect none of us are falling for it.

Kandinsky

Just because a white child abuse gang has been arrested doesn’t excuse the many many many Pakistani men who have groomed & raped young white girls. ( I wonder why they only targeted white children? )

Suella Braverman is exactly what we need, someone who isn’t afraid to tell the truth.

And while you’re falling over yourselves trying to gloss over the damage these Asian grooming gangs have done ( or whatever it is this thread is trying to do? ) spare a thought for the child victims.

Absolutely. In their hurry to shout “racist” some people are forgetting about the hundreds and hundreds of young female children (some as young as 10 or 11) who were raped, abused and passed around for sex in the Muslim community. it happened all over the country in towns like Rochdale, Rotherham, Birmingham, Oxford and many more.

People need to read the book “You can’t have my daughter” by Elizabeth McDonnell. She was a very well educated, professional woman who adopted a 10 year old girl in Oxford but by the time she was 12 she was in the clutches of an Asian grooming gang along with many other girls who mainly grew up in care and were vulnerable. So organised were these gangs that they actually parked up outside childrens homes and foster carers and despite being reported countless times, the Police did nothing. Her story is horrific.

Why anybody would rather try to prove their point than consider these young kids is beyond me.

Kandinsky

Just because a white child abuse gang has been arrested doesn’t excuse the many many many Pakistani men who have groomed & raped young white girls. ( I wonder why they only targeted white children? )

Suella Braverman is exactly what we need, someone who isn’t afraid to tell the truth.

And while you’re falling over yourselves trying to gloss over the damage these Asian grooming gangs have done ( or whatever it is this thread is trying to do? ) spare a thought for the child victims.

I think most of us on here are thinking about the child victims Kandinsky we are just conscious that the child victims are not the real focus of the Home secretary's remarks. We also care about all the victims, no matter what the racial origins or sex of the abusers.
The police and other exerts have said that abusers are mainly white.
The Home Office inquiry said that most child abuse was carried out by white men under 30. An account in the Guardian www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report

How is perpetuating a racist myth helping abused children?

Suella Braverman is a nasty stain in public life who lies as easily as breathing, and the sooner she's gone the better. She appeals to the racists and the hard of thinking.

Just because a white child abuse gang has been arrested doesn’t excuse the many many many Pakistani men who have groomed & raped young white girls. ( I wonder why they only targeted white children? )

Suella Braverman is exactly what we need, someone who isn’t afraid to tell the truth.

And while you’re falling over yourselves trying to gloss over the damage these Asian grooming gangs have done ( or whatever it is this thread is trying to do? ) spare a thought for the child victims.

This thread started by calling out the incompetence and racist lies together with the gaslighting told by Braverman.

Look how many she has convinced with her gaslighting! You can see why they continue to do it can’t you?

Trump is doing the same. For many uncritical listeners, the gaslighting works.

A Home Office report found that Pakistanis weren't over-represented amongst paedophiles, the overwhelming majority of whom are white British males. Funny how the media didn't have much to say about that report!

I havent seen the report.

Is it overwhelming because there are 65 million white people and 4 million not? Or whatever the figures are.
Or did the statisitics take that into account? If you see what I mean.

We have hopefully just over a year before we get the chance to rid ourselves of all the corruption, racism and lies. It will be like getting rid of Trump - a massive relief.

pinkquartz

The truth is that British Pakistani men are racist towards white girls and women. This is why they target young white girls.
The men teach their sons that white girls are either whores or prostitutes. So it doesn't matter what you do to them.

The only decent females are thir women who exist under strict controls.
The men are from a different culture to ours. They don't want to assimilate and this makes it all so much harder.

I suppose there might be a lot of oppostion to this post but all of you who think all people are the same are very naive.

Sadly I learned the truth ;iving in Derby. I hope it will change in time.

"I suppose there might be a lot of oppostion to this post but all of you who think all people are the same are very naive."

In a post making sweeping statements about how British Pakistani men behave this sentence wins the prize for Least Self Aware Post of the Week.

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volver3

OK then.

Why should the fact that Braverman's parents are from Mauritius and India prevent her telling us that Pakistanis are to blame for all our ills in this area when they're not? She is stigmatising a particular cultural group in our society and it seems like it's working.

Just because one group of people may be racist (by your definition), it doesn't stop her being a "real" racist too.

BTW Some Indians are extremely racist and class conscious. I don't know anybody from Mauritius, so can't comment. Not that it makes a jot of difference - in fact, I think it's racist to assume that all others can be lumped together and have the same interests. They're human beings and have as varying views as anybody else on the planet. It's ironic really because those with white skin are in the minority.

pinkquartz

The truth is that British Pakistani men are racist towards white girls and women. This is why they target young white girls.
The men teach their sons that white girls are either whores or prostitutes. So it doesn't matter what you do to them.

The only decent females are thir women who exist under strict controls.
The men are from a different culture to ours. They don't want to assimilate and this makes it all so much harder.

I suppose there might be a lot of oppostion to this post but all of you who think all people are the same are very naive.

Sadly I learned the truth ;iving in Derby. I hope it will change in time.

White men abuse women too - they don't make the headlines. Did you read the report of the recent convictions? Or look at the photos and read the names? Not one brown face or Pakistani-sounding name amongst them!

A Home Office report found that Pakistanis weren't over-represented amongst paedophiles, the overwhelming majority of whom are white British males. Funny how the media didn't have much to say about that report!

There are other places than Derby to learn the truth! But there are always some who will swallow anything that will confirm their own bigotry.

PS. My daughter is marrying a man from a Muslim family in a couple of months. They wouldn't recognise the stereotype you're painting.

sorry, living,

The truth is that British Pakistani men are racist towards white girls and women. This is why they target young white girls.
The men teach their sons that white girls are either whores or prostitutes. So it doesn't matter what you do to them.

The only decent females are thir women who exist under strict controls.
The men are from a different culture to ours. They don't want to assimilate and this makes it all so much harder.

I suppose there might be a lot of oppostion to this post but all of you who think all people are the same are very naive.

Sadly I learned the truth ;iving in Derby. I hope it will change in time.

OK then.

Why should the fact that Braverman's parents are from Mauritius and India prevent her telling us that Pakistanis are to blame for all our ills in this area when they're not? She is stigmatising a particular cultural group in our society and it seems like it's working.

Just because one group of people may be racist (by your definition), it doesn't stop her being a "real" racist too.

In that case, no: but there were plenty of white men who were glad to buy their "services".

..and Volver is right: the day we see "white men abuse girls" headlines will be the day that we have real equality.
Because its mostly white men in the UK abuse women and girls, Is it not?