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Junior doctors strike

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Daisymae Mon 10-Apr-23 08:17:49

4 days from tomorrow. Trusts are getting GPs in to cover A&E for up to £200 per hour. Seems that the government are hoping that this action will see support for the doctors to dwindle. I feel conflicted but I don't see the government pulling out all the stops to prevent this and the inevitable suffering and loss of life. A lot of people are unaware of the action and probably won't care until they are personally affected.

growstuff Wed 19-Apr-23 15:15:42

foxie48

Apart from the tax, NI, VAT etc that would be paid out of any increase, 9% would go towards paying off the considerable student debt that most junior doctors have, so a fair bit would go straight back to the treasury.

Nearly all of it would go back to the Treasury. That's how money flow works.

MaizieD Wed 19-Apr-23 15:15:50

ronib

Growstuff does the German insurance system also end up with siphoning money? How does it work? Did not the Nhs have record amounts siphoned off during the pandemic without an insurance based system?

The money 'siphoned off' during the pandemic wasn't money that had been allocated to the NHS. It was the extra money for purchasing PPF and for the Test, Track and Trace. Of course, there was funding for the vaccination programme, too, but there was no extra money put into the NHS itself. And we know that the money was siphoned off into the pockets of tory friends and donors.

If the government could fund all those extras, at a cost of £billions there is no reason for it not to be able to properly fund the NHS at all. The model is only 'failing' because the government refuses to fund it properly.

You have to understand that it is a more efficient use of money to directly fund the NHS and get it returned to the Treasury via taxation, than it is to add an extra layer of privatisation where a significant part of the money goes into the pockets of 'investors' via dividends and doesn't return to the Treasury in such a large amount (because they don't spend it, they speculate with it... or send it to a tax haven and use tax avoidance schemes. Why should public money be used an inefficient way?

growstuff Wed 19-Apr-23 15:17:24

I think you already know the answer to your last rhetorical question.

MaizieD Wed 19-Apr-23 15:21:01

growstuff

I think you already know the answer to your last rhetorical question.

What, me? wink

In addition to pointing out how money flows work, we shouldn't forget that while it is flowing through the economy every £1 invested creates £4 worth of economic activity... grin

MaizieD Wed 19-Apr-23 15:23:36

P.S. Every pound invested in the NHS, of course. Other things, like Defence actually have a negative multiplier... That seems to be the one that is quoted by people trying to prove that state investment is a waste of money...

ronib Wed 19-Apr-23 15:41:47

Well MaizieD okay great! Let’s do it!

I wish…… do we march on Downing Street? How do we get beneficial change pushed through apart from twittering on GNet respectfully of course?