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Why is Keir Starmer afraid to tell the truth about brexit?

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VioletSky Sun 16-Apr-23 12:01:09

Maybe he doesn't feel it worth saying unless there is something he can do to reverse it.

Things are a mess right now, people are struggling, everywhere. I would have thought the last thing everyone needs to hear is that Brexit is a mistake that we may not recover from

Do people really need their noses rubbed in it by a person they may look to for leadership?

I don't know, that's just my first thought that came

Katie59 Sun 16-Apr-23 12:01:04

Starmer does not want to alienate any Labour voter that do vote for Brexit, it is a fact of life his opinion does not matter. If he is elected then he has to deal with it as best he can, it is up to the parliament of the day to agree or disagree with that.

He quite likely won’t get a large working majority so getting major changes won’t be easy.

toscalily Sun 16-Apr-23 11:55:28

Why is Keir Starmer afraid to tell the truth about brexit?
Whose truth would that be, Tories, Labours or Keir Starmers?

Grany Sun 16-Apr-23 11:53:35

Agree Glorianny There a few more Starmer's untruths on a YouTube video. My dad was a tool maker. And another about Starmer expenses scandal Very untrustworthy.

Glorianny Sun 16-Apr-23 11:26:01

Fleurpepper

Glorianny

Keir Starmer finds it hard to tell the truth about anything.

Evidence? Please. How? Where?

FannyCornforth has got it right I believe. But as polls increasingly show that Brexiters are turning away from the disastrous effect- and more Labour voters put pressure on him- he will have to turn round too.

When he stood for leadership to replace Corbyn as a supporter of the left wing.
“My promise to you,” he said on his campaign website, “is that I will maintain our radical values and work tirelessly to get Labour in to power. Based on the moral case for socialism, here is where I stand
He then made 10 pledges
Number six includes "defend free movement as we leave the EU".
In Nov 2022 he said A Swiss deal simply wouldn't work for Britain. Freedom of movement is a red line for me… it won’t come back under my government.

He tweeted The selections for Labour candidates needs ] to be more democratic and we should end NEC impositions of candidates. Local party members should select their candidates for every election.
And then announced he was stopping Jeremy Corbyn standing as a Labour MP with no reference to the local party.

Honestly I really want a Labour government but I wouldn't trust this man to lead us. I have no idea what his principles really are, or what he would lie about to gain power.
There are loads more examples of his inability to keep a promise.

pascal30 Sun 16-Apr-23 11:24:09

Fleurpepper

Glorianny

Keir Starmer finds it hard to tell the truth about anything.

Evidence? Please. How? Where?

FannyCornforth has got it right I believe. But as polls increasingly show that Brexiters are turning away from the disastrous effect- and more Labour voters put pressure on him- he will have to turn round too.

I really hope so..perhaps if enough people put pressure on him he'll find the courage..

FannyCornforth Sun 16-Apr-23 11:16:47

I’d still prefer it if Starmer leaves Brexit well alone (for now).

It would give the Tories some fabulous ammunition and more excuses to bang the ‘will of the people’ / ‘leftie lawyer’ drum.

I just want Labour to get over the line.

As we all know, they are experts at grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.

varian Sun 16-Apr-23 10:57:13

New polling for The Constitution Society has revealed the Labour Party would remain on course to regain all Red Wall seats and could expand its overall support if it said Brexit was a mistake. The polling suggests that the Party could even win an increased Commons majority at a general election if it made such a move.

At present, the Party is committed to a policy of making Brexit work. The Labour leader, Sir Keir Starmer, has ruled out ever rejoining the EU, the Single Market or the Customs Union, or returning to Freedom of Movement. Starmer and other senior Labour figures who were previously pro-Remain now insist it is time to move on from the issue. They have maintained a position of not criticising Brexit despite evidence of public opinion turning increasingly against UK withdrawal from the EU.

Labour seems to be motivated by the fear that appearing to be anti-Brexit would risk its chances of regaining the so-called ‘Red Wall’ seats at the next General Election. The ‘Red Wall’ label applies to constituencies which produced ‘Leave’ majorities in the 2016 EU referendum, and which Labour lost to the Conservatives in the 2019 General Election. Regaining lost ground in the ‘Red Wall’ is often regarded as being essential to a Labour return to power at the next General Election.

The poll commissioned by The Constitution Society and published today, though, finds that there would be no electoral penalty for Labour if the Party said Brexit was a mistake, and that it could even gain from doing so. With its present stance of ‘make Brexit work’, Labour is projected to win 527 seats in the House of Commons, a majority of 404. If it said Brexit was a mistake, its seats total could rise to 550. Labour is currently on course to sweep all 42 Red Wall seats. This poll reveals that the Party would still be on course to win all 42 seats if it said Brexit was a mistake.

consoc.org.uk/publications/red-wall-polling-2023/

Fleurpepper Sun 16-Apr-23 10:55:36

Glorianny

Keir Starmer finds it hard to tell the truth about anything.

Evidence? Please. How? Where?

FannyCornforth has got it right I believe. But as polls increasingly show that Brexiters are turning away from the disastrous effect- and more Labour voters put pressure on him- he will have to turn round too.

pascal30 Sun 16-Apr-23 10:35:20

Glorianny

Keir Starmer finds it hard to tell the truth about anything.

He just doesn't have the cajones sadly

Glorianny Sun 16-Apr-23 10:10:39

Keir Starmer finds it hard to tell the truth about anything.

FannyCornforth Sun 16-Apr-23 10:06:05

They can’t risk spooking the red wall voters who stayed away from the polls or voted for Johnson under Corbyn’s leadership

Galaxy Sun 16-Apr-23 10:02:40

It depends what you mean by tell the truth as someone who wants labour to win them standing on a platform of reversing the vote or another referendum is not how I think they would win.

varian Sun 16-Apr-23 09:53:44

Most of us, including many who voted for it, are now well aware that brexit has been an utter disaster.

Polls show that if the Labour Party told the truth about this disaster, it would actually gain support. So why is Keir Starmer so afraid to speak the truth?

www.theguardian.com/business/2023/apr/16/brexit-caps-40-years-of-conservative-failure-that-starmer-fears-to-oppose