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Welsh Labour proposing to give young asylum seekers £1600 a month and taxpayers money to fight deportation…

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Poppyred Tue 18-Apr-23 12:15:41

Gobsmacked…….

M0nica Tue 18-Apr-23 16:39:59

Finland ran a living wage programme about 5 years ago. The results seemed to have been neutral, with no downsides but little in the way of upsides either. phys.org/news/2021-06-finnish-basic-income-short-term-employment.html

Casdon Tue 18-Apr-23 16:52:23

Oreo

Happy for all who live in Wales being pleased that asylum seekers are going to get all that money! Am guessing there’ll be loads in Wales not at all happy about it tho.

Are you in Wales Oreo?

Casdon Tue 18-Apr-23 17:00:01

Just for balance, here’s the results of the latest poll I could find about the popularity of the Welsh Government.
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/new-welsh-general-election-poll-25670306

Gossamerbeynon1945 Tue 18-Apr-23 17:08:30

I wish they'd give me something. I have applied for everything, but always told "No". I am an unpaid carer!

Nicenanny3 Tue 18-Apr-23 17:23:23

I thought the UK as a whole were trying to stop the boats and the asylum seekers not encourage more to come. Isn't it easy to give other people's money away who have worked hard and paid their taxes.

LadyGracie Tue 18-Apr-23 19:21:47

1042 people were quizzed in that poll, hardly representative.

I live in Wales and I’m not happy for the money to be given away. The labour led welsh assembly is a joke.

M0nica Tue 18-Apr-23 19:25:57

Here are the details of what the Welsh government are actually going to do. All the explanation comes from a Welsh Government document www.gov.wales/basic-income-care-leavers-wales-pilot-announced

Basic income for care leavers in Wales
All young people leaving care who turn 18 during a 12 month period, across all local authority areas, will be offered the opportunity to take part in this pilot. The pilot will begin during the next financial year and we anticipate over 500 young people will be eligible to join the scheme.

As you can see it has nothing whatsoever to do directly with asylum seekers. It is to do with Care leavers, children who may well have been taken from abusive homes. Its purpose to help them to settle down, find accommodation, a job, and trainingwithout having to constantly seek funding for everything they do. yes, this will include any under 18 assylum seekers, but I suggest there are not that many in Wales.

Why oh why will people jump to conclusions without carefully checking their facts (from reliable sources), such as, in this case, the Welsh Government Press Release, freely available and readily accessible on line.

karmalady Tue 18-Apr-23 19:29:11

They said for asylum seekers on tv, the money plus free legal aid

volver3 Tue 18-Apr-23 19:31:42

LadyGracie

1042 people were quizzed in that poll, hardly representative.

I live in Wales and I’m not happy for the money to be given away. The labour led welsh assembly is a joke.

Have you had a look at the thread about understanding maths?

Maybe if more people understood maths we would keep getting the "not enough people" comment. hmm

Casdon Tue 18-Apr-23 19:32:26

M0nica

Here are the details of what the Welsh government are actually going to do. All the explanation comes from a Welsh Government document www.gov.wales/basic-income-care-leavers-wales-pilot-announced

Basic income for care leavers in Wales
All young people leaving care who turn 18 during a 12 month period, across all local authority areas, will be offered the opportunity to take part in this pilot. The pilot will begin during the next financial year and we anticipate over 500 young people will be eligible to join the scheme.

As you can see it has nothing whatsoever to do directly with asylum seekers. It is to do with Care leavers, children who may well have been taken from abusive homes. Its purpose to help them to settle down, find accommodation, a job, and trainingwithout having to constantly seek funding for everything they do. yes, this will include any under 18 assylum seekers, but I suggest there are not that many in Wales.

Why oh why will people jump to conclusions without carefully checking their facts (from reliable sources), such as, in this case, the Welsh Government Press Release, freely available and readily accessible on line.

As I said earlier, it suits their narrative to do so Monica. Young people leaving care have a very tough time of it, I genuinely can’t see why people are so small minded that they begrudge them time limited support to help them get themselves sorted out, enabling them to prepare for a brighter future than they would otherwise have.

volver3 Tue 18-Apr-23 19:33:17

We would not keep

choughdancer Tue 18-Apr-23 19:37:14

Casdon

LadyGracie

Nothing DippyDrakeford does is a surprise.
He couldn't even run a bath.

I have no doubt that he takes a shower, as it’s more environmentally friendly.
I’m proud to live in a country where we have a FM who cares.

Hear hear Casdon! I wish we had one in England...

pinkprincess Tue 18-Apr-23 20:36:58

This is too stupid to be true

Gossamerbeynon1945 Tue 18-Apr-23 20:47:45

Drakeford has lost the plot.

Gossamerbeynon1945 Tue 18-Apr-23 20:50:06

I live in South Wales.

Primrose53 Tue 18-Apr-23 20:54:03

I agree that kids leaving care need more support. Not so long ago when they reached 16 they were out! Social services found them a flat, gave them a cooker, a table and chair and some money to buy other bits and left them to it. My son had a friend leaving care and I went to his flat and he sat there looking bewildered. I went back again and took him a box of essentials, some towels, tea cloths, dusters etc. we gave him some saucepans, a vacuum cleaner and new mugs.

It is better now and my best friend fosters teenagers and I believe the age limit is now 19 and they get more follow up.

I don’t though agree with illegal immigrants being given the same. My friend will not take them in.

growstuff Tue 18-Apr-23 20:58:23

They're not illegal if they're seeking asylum.

M0nica Tue 18-Apr-23 21:08:10

LadyGracie If sampling is done correctly it is surprising just how small a sample can have a very high probability of accurately representing the whole population. Poor sampling techniques can lead to large samples being being highly unrepresentative.

Somewhere I have a set of tables, a souvenir of days working in market research, which gives me sample size numbers necessary for various levels of accuracy in relation to the total sample.

Poppyred Tue 18-Apr-23 21:08:50

Primrose53

I agree that kids leaving care need more support. Not so long ago when they reached 16 they were out! Social services found them a flat, gave them a cooker, a table and chair and some money to buy other bits and left them to it. My son had a friend leaving care and I went to his flat and he sat there looking bewildered. I went back again and took him a box of essentials, some towels, tea cloths, dusters etc. we gave him some saucepans, a vacuum cleaner and new mugs.

It is better now and my best friend fosters teenagers and I believe the age limit is now 19 and they get more follow up.

I don’t though agree with illegal immigrants being given the same. My friend will not take them in.

I agree Primrose53 care leavers deserve a leg up. Not many people in Wales earn £1600 a month…. this is an insult to all hard working people and an invitation to all and sundry to make their way here…..

Casdon Tue 18-Apr-23 21:11:27

It doesn’t work like that Poppyred. Asylum seekers are allocated by the UK government.

Primrose53 Tue 18-Apr-23 21:36:50

growstuff

They're not illegal if they're seeking asylum.

If they arrive here in rubber dinghies with no passports or paperwork then they have entered our country illegally.

volver3 Tue 18-Apr-23 21:47:11

No they have not.

You're just wrong. 😒

Primrose53 Tue 18-Apr-23 22:15:41

volver3

No they have not.

You're just wrong. 😒

So try slipping into any other country with no passport and see how you get on!

volver3 Tue 18-Apr-23 22:22:59

You just don't understand, do you?

They are asylum seekers, not tourists. They can seek asylum, that means they are not illegal immigrants, no matter what you think you know.

growstuff Tue 18-Apr-23 22:44:52

Primrose53

growstuff

They're not illegal if they're seeking asylum.

If they arrive here in rubber dinghies with no passports or paperwork then they have entered our country illegally.

If they apply for asylum, no they're doing nothing illegal. How difficult is that to understand?

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, you're wrong.