American court would not allow Fox News to use "freedom of speech laws" to justify knowing they lied

MaizieD

^No, your truth is your truth^
Mine is mine
For a believer, God exists
For an atheist, God doesn't exist

Beliefs aren't truths. Until either of these positions can be demonstrated to be true by undeniable evidence they remain merely opinions bolstered by belief.

You can dress it up whatever way you like but it is a fact that Trump did not win the 2020 presidential election . It is a fact that voting machines were not tampered with to deny him victory and it is a fact that Fox News lied to retain his supporters as viewers.

Just about to say the same Maizie.

If Hithere thinks beliefs are truths, then the media's propaganda machine has worked. If you accept that someone saying what they believe is a truth makes it a truth, you are lost, in the way we have seen whole nations lost from time to time. And here is Hithere going along with the newspeak. These people may believe it to be a "truth", but that will never make it so. The kindest thing is to say they misunderstand, but the truth may be that they are brainwashed and that Fox News et al have been complicit in the brainwashing.

Yes beliefs are just that - they are not truths.

Ah but truths can be beliefs

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This has nothing to do with the news

Have a nice day, ladies!

I know Trump didn't win 2020 elections!

Who told you I believe that?

Sorry, I was talking in general terms, not specifically aimed at you. My example of Trump was one of an indisputable truth.

I'm happy for people to have beliefs so long as they don't impinge on others. But when they influence things like voting, or legislating, which have an effect on other people, I am very wary about them.

And I think one has to distinguish between a truth and a belief.

Ah phew!

Hithere

This has nothing to do with the news

Have a nice day, ladies!

It is to do with the news Hithere. One news broadcaster told America that the machines used to count the votes, had been made so that they swapped votes to Trump's opponent. People believe this lie to be a "truth".

You seem to be saying that if they believed it was truth, then it was a truth, their truth. Surely, even you can see that is rubbish and possibly malign rubbish.

Newspapers and broadcasting is very commercially competitive, and the more you give people what they want I guess the more money is made.

Increasingly it seems that what is wanted is “information” that accords with personal partisan views, particularly political, and denigrates others. Truth doesn’t come into it.

The market hasn’t taken over here (U.K.) yet, but it’s on the way!

There are clearly moves to get rid of our only independent news broadcaster for example.

I do not care what religion, political party, believe the earth is flat... as long as we respect each other and our believes and you do not impose your way of living - coexist

I would find it quite difficult to respect someone who insisted that the earth was flat.

In what way do you respect such a person?

I can respect an individual's right to a religious belief - or a philosophy on life, and I'm not one of those who would lightly mock such a belief. But my respect ends when such people want to impose the tenets of their religion on others - especially if they attempt to do it via the State.

DaisyAnne

Hithere

This has nothing to do with the news

Have a nice day, ladies!

It is to do with the news Hithere. One news broadcaster told America that the machines used to count the votes, had been made so that they swapped votes to Trump's opponent. People believe this lie to be a "truth".

You seem to be saying that if they believed it was truth, then it was a truth, their truth. Surely, even you can see that is rubbish and possibly malign rubbish.

You seem to be saying that if they believed it was truth, then it was a truth, their truth. Surely, even you can see that is rubbish and possibly malign rubbish.

Well said DaisyAnne.

I suspect some will still believe the lie. I've no idea what evidence would ever be enough for them to accept he truth - apart from Trump re-canting on the "steal" (I'm not referring to GN posters) - and that's not likely to happen.

Some will. These people may never hear about the court case, only going to the sources of information biased to what they want to hear. Or they may be spun a tale about why the company won.

I would have thought, however, that in America, at least, to keep repeating the lie might get others into trouble with the law. I should have said that what Hithere is saying is also possibly illegal/ libellous if referring to this case.

You cannot keep telling lies whoever you are, but the law can be very slow.

I would have thought, however, that in America, at least, to keep repeating the lie might get others into trouble with the law. I should have said that what Hithere is saying is also possibly illegal/ libellous if referring to this case.

I don't think that Hithere has said anything about the case that could be illegal or libellous. She was just commenting on her view of truth. As a declared Democratic she certainly wasn't challenging the fact that Fox News was lying.

paddyanne the more I read your polemics, the more I am willing to accept everything that is said to the detriment of the SNP.

You used to be so reasonable and convincing and in the past I found your posts a reasonable and rational and informed background to events in Scotland,but now.........

We need a rational view of your side of the border. Please go back to being the poster you were.

Germanshepherdsmum

I was sorry that Fox achieved a settlement. I hope Smartmatic go to trial.

as do I. I was seriously disappointed that they had settled out of court, I was looking forward to that reptile Murdoch being cross examined.

You can dress it up whatever way you like but it is a fact that Trump did not win the 2020 presidential election . It is a fact that voting machines were not tampered with to deny him victory and it is a fact that Fox News lied to retain his supporters as viewers agreed MaizieD, and I would have liked to have seen a public statement of this to be a condition of the out of court settlement. Statement to have been on every Fox programme, Tucker Carlson et al.

As far as I can see Fox haven’t mentioned this at all on their channel.

I know this was about Fox but it then meandered into facts/opinions on GN. I will be honest and say I would no more take guidance from posters on my free speech on GN than I would fly to the moon naked. There is a system in place on here, if you think something breaks guidelines you report, or of course challenge on the thread. If people want to say on here the earth is flat, crack on, I am confident in my ability to argue against that position.

Did anyone see on the news that Fox is being sued by another company who has lots of damning evidence.

Apparently Murdoch “hates” Trump and has nothing good to say about him.

Who’d have thought?

MaizieD

^I would have thought, however, that in America, at least, to keep repeating the lie might get others into trouble with the law. I should have said that what Hithere is saying is also possibly illegal/ libellous if referring to this case.^

I don't think that Hithere has said anything about the case that could be illegal or libellous. She was just commenting on her view of truth. As a declared Democratic she certainly wasn't challenging the fact that Fox News was lying.

Okay. Thanks.

Hithere

Trumpers call CNN fake news and love fox

Watching fox is like living in an alternative dimension full of conspiracies and gaslighting

this is how polarized the US is right now, sadly

No, your truth is your truth
Mine is mine
For a believer, God exists
For an atheist, God doesn't exist

The issue is when we want to impose our opinions and way of living in others

This 100%.

Fox does not believe they lied. Most people who are sued don't. But as a business decision they settled put of court because ot will cost them less then a trial would. Still doesn't mean they are admitting guilt.

@highthere I understand the point you we're trying to make. Trump supporters do believe what they are told is fact, not opinion. The rest of the world knows better.

This thought process is what has led to the polarizarion in this country.

imaround

I think that you will find that Fox do know that they lied. We know that they investigated after the election and understood that dominion did not fiddle the figures, but lied anyway because they knew that if the told aTrump supporters what they didn’t want to hear they would loose audience ratings.

What an extraordinary world we live in. America needs more Winston Smiths.