Identifying as a different gender

If the young person wants to be treated as a non girl they should not attend a school specifically identifying for girls.

I'm a bit gobsmacked by some of the comments on here, to be honest. Wow...I'm going to leave it at that.

People really don't understand what their thought processes tell us about them.
Exactly Volver!😁

I see your point , Doodledog .

Absolutely no offence was meant from me .

And this is my last reply .

kircubbin2000

volver3

..perhaps their nurses have lower standards than English nurses.

Sorry, got to laugh..."Lower standards than English nurses".

Giving yourself a way a bit there..🤣

What?

English nurses? Not Scottish ones? Or Welsh ones?

Lower standards? Not different standards? Not with emphasis in different areas?

People really don't understand what their thought processes tell us about them.

Esmay

Actually , I know exactly what racism feels like .
I experienced it physically defending my friends .

And I've suffered racist attacks against myself .

Sorry to hear that.

But can't you see what I mean about the term 'playing the race card', and about calling people 'they'?

It's amazing how disruptive one little word can be, isn't it?

It can be used to 'other' people of different nationalities, and also be both a plural pronoun and a pronoun of choice for a single person that can be used to exercise power over those who prefer not to use it.

volver3

^..perhaps their nurses have lower standards than English nurses.^

Sorry, got to laugh..."Lower standards than English nurses".

Giving yourself a way a bit there..🤣

What?

Actually , I know exactly what racism feels like .
I experienced it physically defending my friends .

And I've suffered racist attacks against myself .

It looks like you played the “Race Card” here, Esmay and it was definitely racist. Just in the way you have defended yourself seems to show you really don’t comprehend what racism is.

It's an expensive boarding school now, is it?

No conclusion unjumped...

Katie59 : no it was not a physical threat for the girl to be identifying as a different gender and you could be correct that this was some sort of prank but it got out of hand. The result being that the teacher was then reprimanded by the head of the school and completely humiliated by having to apologize to the children for her use of the word "girls".
The head-teacher handled this very badly and has given the school bad publicity. The fees must be high for this boarding school and it has had it's name dragged down to the old type school St. Trinians which was far less posh than the parents who chose to send their children there thought.

And I noticed that they were mixed in with the other nurses and not allowed to form groups congregating around nurses stations - not answering people complaining about their work , the patients , their visitors, the ward manager , their salary /conditions plus being rude and rough with the patients.

What? This and 'the race card'?

Seriously, Esmay, if you can't see how offensive this is, I am shocked. Calling people 'they' is bad enough, but complaining about how people were 'mixed in with other nurses' is really 'othering' whichever nationality the nurses were from. Why wouldn't nationalities be 'mixed'? If people of the same background stick together, isn't that likely to be because they share a language and find it easier to talk to one another?

Also, referring to 'the race card' is minimising racism, and reducing the fight against it to a game played by people who want to use race to gain an advantage and 'win'.

You say that something was done about it - what was done?

..perhaps their nurses have lower standards than English nurses.

Sorry, got to laugh..."Lower standards than English nurses".

Giving yourself a way a bit there..🤣

Your post: ... I complained about the appalling rudeness and poor nursing standards of a particular nationality at our local hospital

Hence you complained that a particular nationality were rude and had poor nursing standards.

Not the people you had met, not a particular, specific named group, you complained that people of a certain nationality were rude and had poor standards.

Now when Caleo says I am not broad minded, I have to assume she thinks that I don't know that other cultures have different ideas about what constitutes acceptable behaviour, or that nurse training isn't the same in all countries and cultures.

It would have been possible to point out that you could see a pattern of behaviours that you didn't think was acceptable; but Esmay, you link it to their nationality, which is not how we behave these days. I don't believe you were brave. I believe that you were discriminatory.

volver3

Good grief...

Not broad minded? Are you kidding me?

So today I've complained on another thread about someone calling my fellow countrymen dumb, and I've pointed out here that somebody has exhibited racism. On both occasions I have been maligned by posters who think I'm in the wrong.

What's happened to Gransnet?

How is it racism? Esmay said the rude nurses were a group of the same nationality. Is that not a fact? It doesn't mean everyone from that country is rude and perhaps their nurses have lower standards than English nurses.

There isn’t a physical threat to a girl identifying as a boy or anything else, so they are all female, however I suspect this was a prank by the girls played on the teacher

If future it’s easy to say “Good Morning Pupils”, or “students”.

All Girls boarding schools do have intimate relationships develop and some girls are “butch” but they are all female.

Thank you , Caleo .

Esmay, it's just as well that some courageous individual can say when the emperor is naked. ( This should have happened before ethnic gangs exploited young girls for sex.) There is such a thing as competing cultures and it's stupid to ignore that fact.

Volver, I know from personal experience one may be broad minded about one matter and narrow minded about another.

This particular nationality had formed unfortunate cliques at our hospital .
Everyone was scared of complaining because "the racist card would be played "
And it was .

I'm glad that I complained , because something was done about it .

I didn't say that all nurses from that particular country were rude and had poor nursing standards .

Yes ,what's happened to Gransnet ?

Big Louis, please tell more about your interesting nephew, if you can. What is his background?

Big Louis wrote:

"My nephew and I had a discussion about this and he would agree with the above remarks - that it is a group of people who have earmarked themselves out as "different and special" for the sake of it. I dont agree. I believe that declaring oneself non binary has more to do with rejecting the culturally defined stereotypes of femininity and masculinity and all that implies."

Yes, but your nephew has nearly identified a probable motive for identifying as one gender or the other. For instance a biological man may identify as a woman because they are afraid to assume the gender character of what they consider pertains to men. Such as shouldering the duty to go into world and fight in the competitive job market, or appear to be the head of a family. It's easier to escape these challenges, even today, when you are a sissy woman.

Good grief...

Not broad minded? Are you kidding me?

So today I've complained on another thread about someone calling my fellow countrymen dumb, and I've pointed out here that somebody has exhibited racism. On both occasions I have been maligned by posters who think I'm in the wrong.

What's happened to Gransnet?

I agree wibblywobbly.
I find the arguments about all girl schools interesting (I have no strong views on them either way) girls currently out perform boys in mixed sex schools too certainly in the primary years. Its boys progress that primary schools worry over.

Esmay, most people, who are not educated in anthropology or otherwise broad minded , are hypersensitive about ethnicity. Walking on egg shells with such people.