I fear the rise of National Conservatism

MaizieD

growstuff

chrissy08

So being anti abortion, pro Christian, pro family values, pro Great Britain, is chilling!?? This country is run by the WEF & if you agree to own nothing, not your house, not your car, or have basic human rights to family, proper food & housing that is what you are supporting. I care about my grandchildren’s future & will oppose anything to do with that cult.

And there we have it! The ideology already has support.

I'd rather like to know a bit more about the WEF running this country

If it was, I wouldn't mind betting it would do a better job.

growstuff

MaizieD

growstuff

chrissy08

So being anti abortion, pro Christian, pro family values, pro Great Britain, is chilling!?? This country is run by the WEF & if you agree to own nothing, not your house, not your car, or have basic human rights to family, proper food & housing that is what you are supporting. I care about my grandchildren’s future & will oppose anything to do with that cult.

And there we have it! The ideology already has support.

I'd rather like to know a bit more about the WEF running this country

If it was, I wouldn't mind betting it would do a better job.

It's making a poor show of getting our human rights removed. Fancy picking a mediocre bully as their agent...

Mind you, the agent at the Home Office isn't doing a bad job...

GSM 'They are not the Tory party. '

no-one said they are, but many of them are from the Tory Party, the ERG and Vote Leave, and Farage supporters. All from the right, the far right.

‘Many of them are from the Tory party, the ERG and Vote Leave’ - who are these many people? I can name two Conservative politicians who are speaking at the conference (they can’t belong to NC because party rules would forbid pluralism) and the odious Farage. Can you be more specific please?

Fleurpepper

Germanshepherdsmum

Have you looked at the NC’s website Fleurpepper? Looked at the names there? Looked at their beliefs? They are not the ERG, though some ERG members may have espoused their cause. These people are not simply Vote Leave in disguise. Their beliefs are far more sinister, much as you may wish to think that all paths lead to Brexit.

Been very busy, sorry. First names in Andrew Marr's report are 'Rees-Mogg, Gove and Braverman' all staunch ERG, and then Tice and Farage ... allying themselves to fascists all over the world. Yes, the ERG +++ - truly terrifying.

Of course they are not going to be talking at the Conference- most of the Conservatives who support them- just as in the early days of the ERG, they remained hidden until they were outed.

Remember the interview with Braverman being asked about who the ERG is?

A reminder

youtu.be/Cbkog8tY5U8

There are 8 MPs or Lords on the page advertising who is speaking at the conference. A couple of them I'd not heard of, so I googled. Guess what? All Conservatives.

Oh, BTW, one of them was the founder of Vote Leave.

Flurpepper ‘of course they are not going to be talking at the conference’.
Really?
nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/speakers/
Now who are the rest of these ‘many people’ please?

Just curious to know how the pro Christian lobby is going to sell itself to our current devout Hindu pm? Also UK much more multi cultural now with multiple faiths - maybe missed the boat?

Oh, they profess to be inclusive if you read their propaganda. Which they would have to be in the UK. Not so much in the US I bet.

Yes I did read the propaganda gsm and it does not add up. How can you be inclusive when one faith and its viewpoint is expressed before all others? Christianity is the dominant religion and the other faiths are not given equal weight.
This right wing group is not going to succeed in the Uk.

I agree. The inclusivity is window dressing. I sincerely hope they don’t succeed but the people hooked in to speak at their conference worry me.

GSM some statements on God seem a bit trivial too. Almost like a bad advertisement. For such supposed heavy weight intellectuals, it doesn’t pull any punches.

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree. The inclusivity is window dressing. I sincerely hope they don’t succeed but the people hooked in to speak at their conference worry me.

They worry me too. As a bit of a Twitter addict, I've noticed that some of them have quite a following. They might not have political representation yet, but they certainly have some support from the public - and that's very difficult to counter. Some other posters try telling them they're brainless goons (and worse), but that just makes their case for them. (Who do you think you are with your Oxford law degree ner ner?)

Some people doubtless support the family values, strong law and order and free speech agenda, but they need to look at what's behind it. It's a bit like an enticing free offer to sell a load of trash.

ronib

GSM some statements on God seem a bit trivial too. Almost like a bad advertisement. For such supposed heavy weight intellectuals, it doesn’t pull any punches.

They're a ragbag of contradictory ideas, but so were the people who put Hitler into power - and they thought he was a funny little man.

How very true growstuff. I don’t follow Twitter but am grateful to know which way the wind’s blowing, as it were. Thank you. A lot of people are very easily lead.

God is a trump card for many on the right.

The mention of God has certainly worked for one of the most ungodly politicians ever to emerge in the USA,

I don’t think the conditions in the 1930s Germany which gave rise to the Nazis are replicated here currently in the Uk. I can’t remember my history in great detail but we are a multi faith, multi cultural society . Additionally it’s been difficult for new political parties to get off the ground here and I can’t see that mainstream Conservatives are going to incorporate NatCons in any form.

varian

God is a trump card for many on the right.

The mention of God has certainly worked for one of the most ungodly politicians ever to emerge in the USA,

Do you mean Biden Varian?

The Conservatives, for example Suella Braverman and Robert Jenrick, are already using inflamatory language very similar to the language of Germany in the 1930s.

Braverman used the word "invasion" Jenrick used the word "canibalisation"

Words matter.

Chrissy08

Let’s address just one of your points, at least in the first instance, being “anti-abortion” should be a truly personal choice. I’d never want to be in a situation as a woman and not have the choice to choose whether to terminate my pregnancy or not. In the same way that I’d choose whether or not to have any other surgery. It’s a personal choice not a political weapon ! I certainly have no desire to take women’s rights back 100 years as they have in many American States. “Family Values”, another truly personal choice, what my family values yours may not - again nothing for the govt to concern itself with, before we know it our freedom of speech and even thought will be thoroughly eroded - if I wanted to live like this I’d move to the US and vote republican or relocate to China ! Despite the issues this country faces I like to believe we are still a democracy

ronib

varian

God is a trump card for many on the right.

The mention of God has certainly worked for one of the most ungodly politicians ever to emerge in the USA,

Do you mean Biden Varian?

No, ronib

I meant Trump.

Biden is, I believe a Christian, but does not play the God card.

It is a mystery to me that Trump, a uniquely immoral person, with a slew of sexual allegations against him, who boasted about "grabbing women by the pussy", who boasted that he could "stand in the middle of Park Avenue and shoot somebody and they would still vote for me" and who did not even realise which way up to hold a Bible, has been supported by the fanatical believers of the Bilble belt.

ronib

I don’t think the conditions in the 1930s Germany which gave rise to the Nazis are replicated here currently in the Uk. I can’t remember my history in great detail but we are a multi faith, multi cultural society . Additionally it’s been difficult for new political parties to get off the ground here and I can’t see that mainstream Conservatives are going to incorporate NatCons in any form.

It's more similar than you think. Germany in the 1920s and 1930s was one of the most civilised and cultured countries on the planet.

It had a fragile economy (ditto) and a power vacuum (ditto) and the rest is history.

varian

ronib

varian

God is a trump card for many on the right.

The mention of God has certainly worked for one of the most ungodly politicians ever to emerge in the USA,

Do you mean Biden Varian?

No, ronib

I meant Trump.

Biden is, I believe a Christian, but does not play the God card.

It is a mystery to me that Trump, a uniquely immoral person, with a slew of sexual allegations against him, who boasted about "grabbing women by the pussy", who boasted that he could "stand in the middle of Park Avenue and shoot somebody and they would still vote for me" and who did not even realise which way up to hold a Bible, has been supported by the fanatical believers of the Bilble belt.

But we have to understand it because what happened did happen. If we can't understand it, it will happen again.