I fear the rise of National Conservatism

I think it's a bit late to be fearing them; they've been in situ for quite some time.
And unless enough people realise the gravity of our situation and vote for anyone who can unseat a Tory when they get the chance, there might never be another chance.

Growstuff I don’t suppose anyone on this forum has worked for the Civil Service very recently but it has changed considerably. One particular department has a particularly woke attitude and sacked a contractor for making a fairly innocent comment about women. It’s a world unto itself. The idea that the wokist element in the Civil Service would take on board any of the declarations of New Conservatism is laughable.

Thank you volver.

Germanshepherdsmum

‘the new conservatives’ and ‘new conservatism’ are not the same thing. This organisation is National Conservatism - another thing altogether. The connotations of the word ‘National’ are particularly worrying

OK! Point taken, but if you delve a bit, they do have an almost identical agenda. New conservatism was behind Trump's "Make America Great Again". It's nationalistic because it rejects globalisation. In some ways that can work in the US because it's such a vast country with almost all the resources it needs within its own borders.

It piggy backs "nationalism" with all the nasty side and plays into the idea that being critical of one's own country/government is anti-patriotic. It rejects ideas of international co-operation and is strangely quiet about international trade.

It's fundamentally a culture battle against liberalism rather than a blueprint for successful economics, which ultimately control people's lives.

ronib

Growstuff I don’t suppose anyone on this forum has worked for the Civil Service very recently but it has changed considerably. One particular department has a particularly woke attitude and sacked a contractor for making a fairly innocent comment about women. It’s a world unto itself. The idea that the wokist element in the Civil Service would take on board any of the declarations of New Conservatism is laughable.

Maybe not, but some of us do have family members and friends who still do work at SCS level.

If the contractor’s comment was innocent, he wouldn’t have been fired. If it was sexist, as I assume it was, they’re well rid of him.

They have been in situ for some time but not prominent here mousemac. They are now endeavouring to get a higher profile here. They are not the Tory party. Voting for anyone is really not a good idea. That’s exactly how people like this lot get a foothold. A lot of people voted for Farage, though not enough to get him a seat - now he’s a supporter of this organisation, which would have done well in 1930s Germany.

AmberSpyglass

If the contractor’s comment was innocent, he wouldn’t have been fired. If it was sexist, as I assume it was, they’re well rid of him.

aAmberSpyglass Well this particular department had great difficulty hanging on to its contractors - I don’t think for one minute that every contractor is sexist! Then again sexism is upto individual interpretation.

Also I remember the refrain - “it’s impossible to get anyone to do any work”. It’s in need of drastic change.

I'm posting the link to National Conservatism again, just in case people miss it...

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

I agree with you GSM. We have a political vacuum and that's exactly what they'll exploit. Personally, I wouldn't ever vote Conservative, but voting for an unknown maverick who seems to support "outsiders" is a recipe for disaster.

Thanks Maizie. A lot of people don’t seem to have done their homework before posting. I don’t know how many times I have to say This Is Not The Tory Party - though worryingly some of its senior members seem far too interested for my liking.

This organisation is one I had not previously heard of, and which sounds very worrying indeed! The link with America and radical Christian connections (which are not Christian at all given the hatred that is pervasive within them) is also a concern.

As if we don't already have enough to worry about.

Thank you for the "heads up" DaisyAnne!

MaizieD

^I am not allowing this constant smearing of Conservatism by scare stories like this.^

I don't think you have power to stop it, Anniel

Agreed. And your threatening tone is very unpleasant too. How appropriate, given your stated political beliefs.

It piggy backs "nationalism" with all the nasty side and plays into the idea that being critical of one's own country/government is anti-patriotic

similar accusations were made on here to those of us who did not vote for Brexit.

I agree GSM, maybe everyone should have another read at the links, too many people leaping to ill informed conclusions; I read it twice.

So being anti abortion, pro Christian, pro family values, pro Great Britain, is chilling!?? This country is run by the WEF & if you agree to own nothing, not your house, not your car, or have basic human rights to family, proper food & housing that is what you are supporting. I care about my grandchildren’s future & will oppose anything to do with that cult.

The word “National” does carry a heavy connotation of white supremacy, anti-semitism here in the US, which is part of Trump’s MAGA movement. The Evangelicals here are giving Christianity a bad name. They don’t operate by Christian principles.

Seems like every country is infected now. It is a contagion that was not squelched after WWII (been around in some form for centuries) and has ramped up and is spreading in intensity again world-wide.

You bet, it’s a concern!! It’s a scourge. All democracies are on alert. It’s up to me/you/us to help stamp it out by voting - locally grass-roots and on up.
Vote!
USA Gundy

I have no idea what you’re trying to say Chrissy. Sorry but I just don’t understand.

I think one of the worst aspects of this is the name of the movement; National has regrettable connotations of course, but, as we have read on here, many people will confuse Conservatism with Conservative, and given the names of some of the attendees, who can blame them.

Agreed.

How unbiased is Andrew Marr? He was formerly a Moaist and known as Red Andy at Cambridge. Was a member of the Socialist Campaign for Labour victory ( aka Alluance for Workers Liberty) a pressure group set up by the Labour party.
I look forward to his unbiased analysis of the left 🤔

Plunger

How unbiased is Andrew Marr? He was formerly a Moaist and known as Red Andy at Cambridge. Was a member of the Socialist Campaign for Labour victory ( aka Alluance for Workers Liberty) a pressure group set up by the Labour party.
I look forward to his unbiased analysis of the left 🤔

So what was biased about his analysis?

chrissy08

So being anti abortion, pro Christian, pro family values, pro Great Britain, is chilling!?? This country is run by the WEF & if you agree to own nothing, not your house, not your car, or have basic human rights to family, proper food & housing that is what you are supporting. I care about my grandchildren’s future & will oppose anything to do with that cult.

And there we have it! The ideology already has support.

Plunger

How unbiased is Andrew Marr? He was formerly a Moaist and known as Red Andy at Cambridge. Was a member of the Socialist Campaign for Labour victory ( aka Alluance for Workers Liberty) a pressure group set up by the Labour party.
I look forward to his unbiased analysis of the left 🤔

Andrew Marr is in his early sixties. How long is it since he went to Cambridge? 40 years? How long since he was a Labour activist?

If you don't like Andrew Marr I suggest that you read the link to the Nationalist Conservatives that has been posted twice on this thread now. Then tell us what you think of their ideas...

growstuff

chrissy08

So being anti abortion, pro Christian, pro family values, pro Great Britain, is chilling!?? This country is run by the WEF & if you agree to own nothing, not your house, not your car, or have basic human rights to family, proper food & housing that is what you are supporting. I care about my grandchildren’s future & will oppose anything to do with that cult.

And there we have it! The ideology already has support.

I'd rather like to know a bit more about the WEF running this country

HousePlantQueen

*It piggy backs "nationalism" with all the nasty side and plays into the idea that being critical of one's own country/government is anti-patriotic*

similar accusations were made on here to those of us who did not vote for Brexit.

I agree GSM, maybe everyone should have another read at the links, too many people leaping to ill informed conclusions; I read it twice.

I'm not equating them, but I can see the same kind of claims emerging. In a Venn diagram, I have no doubt that there would be a sizeable intersection.