More tory trickery for the local elections?

MaizieD

volver3

The birth of a new myth.

If you didn't have voter id, it's because you didn't bother.

🤦

It's not exactly new, it's just a reworking of the 'if you wanted to remain in the EU you should have voted' trope 😁

Not a myth simply reality. Imagine someone taking responsibility for their own actions? Shouldn’t be such a novel concept

Mollygo at moment Germany is increasing its population so flats are the answer. There’s no way 23000 euros council tax is affordable for home owners in Germany…. Certainly the European model of building flats rather than houses seems to have taken a very strong hold in the south east. I just wish new developments weren’t being sold to the Chinese (in China) as investment opportunities.

ronib-when governments notice what other countries are doing that raises money by taxing the public, they often think it seems like a good idea. Their next step is “Let’s do it.”

Casdon so it’s all supposition?

The fact that democratically elected councils in Germany are able to act in such punitive ways towards home ownership rings alarm bells. The desire to build flats instead of family homes is obvious in the south east of England too. So what is the dynamic between government and local councils and how are local people having their preferences heard?

ronib

Also I recently heard that local councils in Germany are rebanding council tax . There’s a proposal to charge astronomical council taxes on family homes with gardens. The proposal is that households are going to be charged 23000 euros a year for living in a house with garden from 2025. This is put forward by the democratically elected council. So be careful what you wish for…..if still hankering after the EU.

You’ve lost me now, that has no relevance to either the UK or to the EU? The imposition of taxes at local level is a matter for each individual country.

ronib

What actual proof is there to support the argument that elections are being rigged because voters didn’t bring id with them?

There isn’t any evidence one way or the other because it’s not happened yet, this will be the first election for which voter id is required?

Also I recently heard that local councils in Germany are rebanding council tax . There’s a proposal to charge astronomical council taxes on family homes with gardens. The proposal is that households are going to be charged 23000 euros a year for living in a house with garden from 2025. This is put forward by the democratically elected council. So be careful what you wish for…..if still hankering after the EU.

What actual proof is there to support the argument that elections are being rigged because voters didn’t bring id with them?

ronib

Volver 3 now your concept of cheating, as an aside, what is the difference between doing some background checks/research and looking things up?

I am more interested in the downright lies not about voting id but misinformation on planning permission that one local candidate was trumpeting.
Also newly built flats are being sold to foreign investors rather than locals. These issues are important. The voter id isn’t.

You have it completely the wrong way round ronib, surely? If a candidate is elected because not everybody has been able to vote, they are able to directly influence policy. If you don’t like what they do but they are democratically elected that is much less serious than them acting without a mandate because some people have been unable to vote.

Volver 3 now your concept of cheating, as an aside, what is the difference between doing some background checks/research and looking things up?

I am more interested in the downright lies not about voting id but misinformation on planning permission that one local candidate was trumpeting.
Also newly built flats are being sold to foreign investors rather than locals. These issues are important. The voter id isn’t.

Labour and Tories have been in cahoots here for a decade,trying to wipe out their common enemy the SNP .They team up to outvote the SNP councils across Scotland where the policies of School meals etc are much needed but against Tory ...of the blue or red variety ...policies.
This is despite Sarwar's insistence they wouldn't co- operate with the tories ! Labour is dead in the water here they'll join the tories in oblivion

Pick one ronib, and I'll explode it for you.

Maybe not the no fixed address one, and I'd have to look it up and that would be cheating.

Well written Mollygo a bit of sense at last.

Like I said....

...beyond parody.

Suppressing the vote of young people?
That would be why those of my grandchildren who are entitled to vote have already got their voter ID. Young people, on the whole, are more used to having to provide identity for things, if what they tell me, is true.
No stable address? I don’t know enough about that one. If you aren’t on the electoral roll somewhere, can you vote anyway, with or without voter ID?
Suppressing the voting rights of older people? If I remember rightly, depending on which statistics you read, older people were blamed for Brexit. Why would the government want to stop older people voting.
Infringement of privacy? Everybody who is on the Internet, even GN, has somebody or someone or something, tracking their every move.
I didn’t vote leave, but at least if we stayed in the EU, we could have blamed the EU for us having to have voter ID as almost all EU countries do, instead of all the other arguments.

One thing that can be said for this - it's united the Telegraph and the Guardian in condemnation. That doesn't happen very often.

And when John Curtice says there's something fishy going on at the polls, I'm tempted to believe him.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-new-rules-on-voter-id-are-a-democratic-scandal/ar-AA1aCohK

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/voter-id-laws-explained_uk_64400b47e4b03c1b88c44fed

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/25/voter-id-laws-what-they-really-are-voter-suppression-and-an-attack-on-young-people

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/polling-guru-john-curtice-suggests-voter-id-could-suppress-labour-vote_uk_644f93a8e4b0408f3e5a7606

volver3

Ach, it's beyond parody now.

😂😂😂

Ach, it's beyond parody now.

MaizieD

Mcbab

growstuff

PS. Personally, I don't have any issue with voter ID. In fact, I wouldn't object to everybody having ID cards. However, I also recognise the inconsistencies in the acceptable forms of ID, which are discriminatory towards younger people and to those without stable accommodation.

It really is so easy, and free, to get voter ID that there really cannot be any excuse for anyone who doesn’t bother. Didn’t stop people in Northern Ireland who wished to vote

There's nothing like applauding the march towards voter suppression and the loss of voting rights.

No loss of voting rights whatsoever . Just get off your backside and get a free ID. If you don't have one. Most other countries have voter ID.

I was just thinking exactly that MaizieD.

volver3

The birth of a new myth.

If you didn't have voter id, it's because you didn't bother.

🤦

It's not exactly new, it's just a reworking of the 'if you wanted to remain in the EU you should have voted' trope 😁

The birth of a new myth.

If you didn't have voter id, it's because you didn't bother.

🤦

Mcbab

growstuff

PS. Personally, I don't have any issue with voter ID. In fact, I wouldn't object to everybody having ID cards. However, I also recognise the inconsistencies in the acceptable forms of ID, which are discriminatory towards younger people and to those without stable accommodation.

It really is so easy, and free, to get voter ID that there really cannot be any excuse for anyone who doesn’t bother. Didn’t stop people in Northern Ireland who wished to vote

There's nothing like applauding the march towards voter suppression and the loss of voting rights.

I am bothered by deliberately misleading information both printed and verbal from one candidate in our local election. We checked it out and hope others did too.
I am also put out that there’s a blurring of lines between local and national government responsibilities so local councillors seem to have a very narrow remit in housing for example. Part of broken Britain?

growstuff

PS. Personally, I don't have any issue with voter ID. In fact, I wouldn't object to everybody having ID cards. However, I also recognise the inconsistencies in the acceptable forms of ID, which are discriminatory towards younger people and to those without stable accommodation.

It really is so easy, and free, to get voter ID that there really cannot be any excuse for anyone who doesn’t bother. Didn’t stop people in Northern Ireland who wished to vote