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Will You Pledge Allegiance?

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vegansrock Sun 30-Apr-23 07:34:47

Apparently we are all supposed to stand up in front of our tellys and pledge allegiance to the King saying stuff like “ May the King live forever”
Will you me doing it? Me neither, I’ll be in the garden hopefully.
What does “pledge allegiance” even mean in the 21st century? Before royalist pile in, yes I do know it has its roots a few hundred years ago, and it’s taken from a Handel anthem , but , honestly , that’s no excuse is it? We’re not in the Brownies fgs.

Callistemon21 Sun 30-Apr-23 12:09:53

Gala

The "allegiance" is apparently the peers bit, now you can all join in - if you want. Its not compulsory, just part of Charles' inclusivity (not modernisation) along with using the UK languages of Welsh, Irish Gaelic & Scottish Gaelic, representatives of major faiths (& minor ones for all I know) participation of women bishops etc etc . Can't understand why people get so exercised over something they say they're not going to watch or celebrate. Go about your day. Enjoy.

Well said, Gala

It's not compulsory, nor is watching it compulsory either.
Nor are street parties, nor is volunteering on Monday.

Just be glad we don't live in a country where this might be compulsory and dissension and protests might incur imprisonment.

biglouis Sun 30-Apr-23 12:07:34

No.

Im not republican but I have posted here strongly against the waste of a coronation. I am thinking it is in the same old fashioned and tasteless "tone" as William and Kate's tour of Carribbean countries standing 50s style in a landrover wearing tiara and uniform respectively while the common folks cheer and wave flags.

Nor a good look spending millions on an arcane and elaborate ceremony at the height of a cost of living crisis.

Very much out of tune with modern European practice. None of the other constitutional monarchies have coronations - just a quick flick oath taking to uphold the consitution before parliament. We should be doing the same.

Very negative about all this religious mumbo jumbo. We are no longer a CofE society but a multi faith/no faith society and this does not fit.

No one I know or have spoken to recently is at all enthusiastic but say they will watch (possibly just highlights) for historical interest.

TerriBull Sun 30-Apr-23 12:05:49

I don't have any problem with Charles or Camilla, but I'm damned if I'm going to be stuck in front of the telly all day watching the whole shabang.

I spoke to my son yesterday, he and girlfriend are off to the States any day. "Clever you two, getting two bank holidays in, taking up less annual leave" I remarked. "Yes" he replied and "I've no desire to stick around to see fat fingered Charles crowned, It'll all be over when we're back thank God" A bit rude I thought, but he did add "really like the late Queen though"

Dickens Sun 30-Apr-23 12:05:19

eazybee

This thread is sooo predictable.
I shall.

... so predictable

Are we being mildly chastised because we have the freedom to think and feel differently?

I shall not.

I'm pleased for Charles that he's finally being crowned. I think he intends to do an honourable job. I would defend him against those who make unnecessary jibes about him - but he's not faultless, he's just a human being we've elevated to fulfil the apparent need we have of maintaining a monarchy. And I'm a republican. I'm not a subject nor a serf.

Tizliz Sun 30-Apr-23 11:58:42

Luckygirl3

I guess people feel het up about it as it is a rather disturbing piece of self-aggrandisement in a king who is apparently desiring to be more relevant and in touch - offering people the chance to express adulation of oneself is pretty sick really.

So agree 👏

ginny Sun 30-Apr-23 11:58:21

To me it seems a bit ‘do you know who I am?’ and know your place .

Luckygirl3 Sun 30-Apr-23 11:51:25

I guess people feel het up about it as it is a rather disturbing piece of self-aggrandisement in a king who is apparently desiring to be more relevant and in touch - offering people the chance to express adulation of oneself is pretty sick really.

Gillycats Sun 30-Apr-23 11:45:59

People are simply being asked to pledge allegiance, not being told to do it. If you don’t want to then don’t! Not sure why people are getting het up about it.

25Avalon Sun 30-Apr-23 11:44:11

Where is this suggestion from? It’s the first I’ve heard. I don’t mind saying “God save the King” but I shouldn’t be told I have to and I don’t see the need to swear allegiance unless you are in the armed forces. Or when I was young a Brownie.

sandelf Sun 30-Apr-23 11:40:28

I think it's really meant to be a communal thing - and is just a way of affirming our loyalty to the United Kingdom. If it seems silly when home alone - no worries.
Archbishop Justin Welby will call upon all persons of goodwill in The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of the other Realms and the Territories to make their homage, in heart and voice, to their undoubted King, defender of all.
The order of service on May 6 will read: ‘All who so desire, in the Abbey, and elsewhere, say together:
I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.

A playing of a fanfare will then follow.

The Homage of the People is exciting because it’s brand new, something we can share in because of technological advances, so not just the people in the Abbey, but people who are online, on television, who are listening, and who are gathered in parks, at big screens and churches.

Redhead56 Sun 30-Apr-23 11:36:21

There are only an handful royals since the Queen died that I am interested in. I won’t be standing in front of my telly like an eccentric woman that will probably come naturally enough!

Luckygirl3 Sun 30-Apr-23 11:34:47

I will have it on for the music. Bryn Terfel and Roderick Williams will certainly make me turn the TV on. New works by Judith Weir, Debbie Wiseman and Paul Mealor get my vote too..... as well as old works by William Byrd. It will be a musical treat.

HousePlantQueen Sun 30-Apr-23 11:33:10

I shall watch the event but will not be pledging allegiance. I wish them well, but the monarchy has no importance in my life.

Louella12 Sun 30-Apr-23 11:25:28

I've not heard this suggestion . Find it hard to believe! The thought of people standing in front of their TVs, pledging allegiance is baffling.

I'm quite happy having the RF but no standing in this house. I doubt we'll even watch to be honest.

volver3 Sun 30-Apr-23 11:21:08

I mentioned this to DH and he said, "you're making that up, surely?"

Nope.

Daisymae Sun 30-Apr-23 11:16:58

I will be watching but the idea of standing in front of the TV and pledging is an odd idea for the 21st Century.

Ailidh Sun 30-Apr-23 11:12:05

I will.

Sofa Sun 30-Apr-23 11:09:49

No, of course not.

paddyann54 Sun 30-Apr-23 11:06:09

Hoping my bad back is gone so I can join an Independence march from Kelvingrove to Glasgow Green.Not many monarchists will be there and I can confidently predict the only Union flags will be the Britnats on the sidelines trying to cause trouble...as usual.There will be a sea of Saltires

henetha Sun 30-Apr-23 11:04:00

There is no "supposed to" about it. It's purely voluntary.
I shall. That's my choice.

fancythat Sun 30-Apr-23 11:01:25

No

annsixty Sun 30-Apr-23 10:28:09

Of course the answers are as expected and rightly so.
It is a very presumptuous ask and my answer is a resounding no.
I admired the late Queen but I felt no allegiance to her either.

Oopsadaisy1 Sun 30-Apr-23 10:27:57

If ‘Modernising the Monarchy’ means that they will pay taxes like the rest of us have to, then I might be more inclined to watch it, but he has had plenty of time to do that and he hasn’t.

Anniebach Sun 30-Apr-23 10:25:06

It is replacing the tradition of asking only peers

Mollygo Sun 30-Apr-23 10:24:28

Gala
Can't understand why people get so exercised over something they say they're not going to watch or celebrate. Go about your day. Enjoy.
This.👏👏👏