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Dogs shot by Met police

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Iam64 Mon 08-May-23 08:06:35

Apologies for inability to post a link. Yesterday a woman was attacked by two dogs. Police responded. The DM has a video on line showing a man holding back two large, aggressive bull type dogs as police try to talk to him. The police killed both dogs by shooting them.
The woman filming this is heard to criticise this. The police spokesperson states the dogs posed a threat to police. Having watched the video, I don’t know what else they could have done in the circumstances.
Sorry for yet another post about our of control dogs with irresponsible, ill-informed owners.

tickingbird Sat 20-May-23 15:07:31

They will be XL bully dogs. They were selling for £5000 each so, as in all expensive breeds, everybody tries to get in on the act and they end up everywhere - price goes down and the result? Uncared for, unwanted, unsocialised dogs that end up attacking some unfortunate. I read several weeks ago that they’re sometimes kept in cages, no exercise and fed on pizza and other rubbish. As an animal lover I can’t begin to tell you how much I detest the scum that do this. I wouldn’t mind so much if it was the adult owners that were the victims. I posted a few months ago how, when dropping my son and grandson off at a birthday party, there was a van with the back open and several of these dogs were in the back. Two were running free on the pavement. Even my son was afraid to get out of the car. The idiot with them stood there smoking whilst one did the biggest dump on the pavement. Just scum.

Jaxjacky Sat 20-May-23 14:40:24

Iam64

Two more dog attacks reported this week. One 8 year old boy needed hospital in patient treatment to sew part of his scalp back on. His father bought an ‘American Staffordshire bull terrier’ for £200 days before the attack. Police called, dog humanely destroyed.
In Leigh, Lancashire a man was killed by an XL bully dog. Its 25 year old owner has been charged with having an out of control dog. The dog was shot by police because it posed serious threat.
Both bull breeds. I grew up with a bull mastiff. My child minder had staffies. Im not damning entire breeds but I do question the huge rise in popularity of xl bullies who seem to feature regularly

22 year old woman arrested at the same property for suspected money laundering, 15 dogs removed including 9 puppies.

Iam64 Sat 20-May-23 14:13:26

I know that tickingbird. It’s what the child’s father told the police the dog he bought was. The photograph looked like a big bull breed, much like the dogs shot in london

tickingbird Sat 20-May-23 06:51:19

That’s the papers poor reporting. There is no such breed as an American Staffie.

Iam64 Sat 20-May-23 06:39:39

Two more dog attacks reported this week. One 8 year old boy needed hospital in patient treatment to sew part of his scalp back on. His father bought an ‘American Staffordshire bull terrier’ for £200 days before the attack. Police called, dog humanely destroyed.
In Leigh, Lancashire a man was killed by an XL bully dog. Its 25 year old owner has been charged with having an out of control dog. The dog was shot by police because it posed serious threat.
Both bull breeds. I grew up with a bull mastiff. My child minder had staffies. Im not damning entire breeds but I do question the huge rise in popularity of xl bullies who seem to feature regularly

Iam64 Thu 18-May-23 06:50:06

MayBee70, I read the same article. It defeats me why owners allow their dogs walked in packs of 7 and 8. It’s a growing business as people return to work. I has to find a dog Walker when my husband was ill, I’ve kept her on during this tough time but, she walks my boy 1-1.
These xl bullies seem over represented in the dogs involved in attacks

MayBee70 Wed 17-May-23 21:01:21

I’ve read that in the case of the dog walker who was attacked by the dogs she was walking her own dog, an American XL Bully has been pts, two dachshunds have been returned to their owners and no decision has been made regarding the other dogs. It’s beyond me that anyone would entrust their dog with a dog walker that walked an XL Bully and so many other dogs.

Iam64 Wed 17-May-23 19:37:36

Those dogs may have staffie in them but they look like they’ve been crossed with a bigger bull breed

3nanny6 Wed 17-May-23 17:59:31

Re- homed after what experience? do you mean the hysterical woman screaming like a banshee ? I would also have been terrified of her I hate loud screaming people.

Re-homed if a dog had badly bitten a child/adult that is not going to happen it will be game over.

The two dogs that were shot where is the evidence that they had attacked anyone it seems no evidence was there they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time which was outside of that shop where that mad woman was.

maddyone Wed 17-May-23 16:41:53

Re homed?
No dog should be rehomed after such an experience.

maddyone Wed 17-May-23 16:40:30

Yes Meryl I do know these things can happen. However Labs are generally known for their gentle natures, and my daughter really did her research as she had baby twins. However we all have to recognise that any dog, large or small, can bite/be aggressive. However bull dog breeds are known for it, and the number of dog attacks I’ve seen in the news is truly frightening, and usually they are bulldog types. It wouldn’t surprise me if they were cross breeds too. It’s really impossible to know the nature and breeding of such dogs. My daughter did her research and it paid off with a lovely dog with the most gentle nature ever.

MerylStreep Wed 17-May-23 16:16:16

Maddyone
Some years ago my friend was walking her pet goat.
Two Labradors killed the goat.

3nanny6 Wed 17-May-23 16:12:08

Callistemon21 : Try reading my post carefully, I said I have seen many of the large breed dogs in the vets surgery and they have never been aggressive and sat with their owners until the vet called them into the treatment room.

What is absolute nonsense? I am well aware that certain breeds of dog can cause serious harm if they are out of control. Many of the dog/child attack has happened when irresponsible owners want a status dog and the more vicious the dog the more the stupid owner likes that.

There is no such thing as pure bad dog there are only exceptionally bad owners that cannot take correct care of their animal.

I have also read that there was no written documentation in the police station that the woman had called the police and nothing in the hospital to show she had gone for any hospital treatment.
Those two dogs could have been saved they could have gone to the dog re-training center and then been re-homed.

rosie1959 Wed 17-May-23 14:51:17

I have known a few staffs in my life time none of which were vaguely aggressive with humans. The pure bred staff is not a particularly big dog standing at between 14 & 16 inches high. Some do have to be watched with other dogs.
Many are rescues and probably cross breeds.

maddyone Wed 17-May-23 12:08:56

I agree with you Maybee. I would have given that man and his dogs a very wide berth. I don’t like Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Have you seen the size of their jaws? They have inflicted too many injuries on to too many people. Not a nice breed. Give me my daughter’s lovely Labrador any day. And yes I know Labs have bitten people in the past but generally they have lovely natures and are recommended for children, especially if like my daughter you do a lot of research into the blood lines of the dog you are buying. She, the dog, came from a breeder who could show the characteristics of the parents and grandparents of this dog. I suspect most people who own Staffies don’t bother with that.

Callistemon21 Wed 17-May-23 11:37:53

Caleo

That may well be so, MayBee. However the police men should have applied psychology before resorting to guns.

On the dogs?

Or on a drunken man?

Caleo Wed 17-May-23 11:37:07

That may well be so, MayBee. However the police men should have applied psychology before resorting to guns.

MayBee70 Wed 17-May-23 11:29:43

There was a photo of him in the tube with his two dogs sat on a seat next to him. He was drinking what appeared to be an alcoholic drink. There is no way that I would have shared a train carriage with that man and his dogs and I’m not someone who’s scared of dogs. The dogs may have been young but they were very big. Having seen a smaller bull breed try to kill my dog I am under no illusion as to how much damage a dog like that can do in the blink of an eye. I believe the owner had been banned from keeping dogs. It was an accident waiting to happen.

rosie1959 Wed 17-May-23 10:37:14

maddyone

Better the lives of two dogs than the life of one child.

Maddyone these two dogs hadn't attacked anyone do we shoot them just in case they might.
They were Staffordshire Bull terriers one was just 9 months old and there hadn't been any reports of them being aggressive to humans. They were barking at the police but is this hardly surprising when their owner had been followed by 5 men (police officers) who had at one point batons drawn. My own dogs would have reacted the same way

maddyone Wed 17-May-23 10:19:07

Better the lives of two dogs than the life of one child.

maddyone Wed 17-May-23 10:18:17

They hadn’t done anything to warrant it.

Yet!

rosie1959 Wed 17-May-23 08:57:55

Allsorts

Bring dog licenses back for a start. Stop the people that own the dangerous ones from ever keeping an animal.

Not sure a dog licence would do much good dogs in the UK have to be microchipped by law but how many are not.
It wouldn't have helped in this situation these dogs were shot for apparently no good reason they hadn't actually done anything to warrant it.

Allsorts Tue 16-May-23 21:36:47

Bring dog licenses back for a start. Stop the people that own the dangerous ones from ever keeping an animal.

Callistemon21 Tue 16-May-23 21:33:31

Many times I have been in the vets with my own dog and I have seen every breed in the vets from the smallest to the largest and not once have I seen any of the large breed of dogs become aggressive

Ergo large dogs are never aggressive!!?

Absolute nonsense
Try telling that to parents of children killed by large, aggressive dogs.

Callistemon21 Tue 16-May-23 21:30:39

Iam64

*The met police disgust me
Let’s call it murder *

No let’s not call it murder. It’s nothing close to murder.
The Met has had more than acceptable levels of poor policing/abusive behaviour from officers recently
I don’t include this incident in that
No doubt the officers will be out through an investigation.
I feel for them. We can’t deny the number of dog attacks causing death or serious injury has increased. We’ve seen the clip of the screaming woman. The officers were responding to what they understood to be aggressive dogs, being handled with a man they knew had been banned from keeping dogs after a previous incident of aggression. Let those who can judge do so. Let’s rubbish police officers running towards danger.

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They acted professionally with the information they were given.