Dogs shot by Met police

It is an illusion to think these dogs would be delightful dogs if it wasn't for the owner. Mnay of these dogs are selectively bred for their aggressive traits and then trained to be aggressive from birth.

The chance of retraining these dogs to make them 'safe' is nil. Sadly the only thing to do with these dogs, if identified is to put them down.

Rosie51

Bluebelle the police are telling the man he has to hand over the dogs but he refuses. I can clearly hear an officer tell him he leaves them no choice, to which the man replies "Go on, do it" I think he thought they wouldn't. Then I'm not sure if the man encourages the dog to advance or whether it was the dog's choice but that's when the first dog is shot. A totally avoidable situation if the owner had just handed them over.

Quite clearly an individual who just should not have been in possession of these dogs.

It's becoming more prolific and - I have to say this although it might draw some flak - particularly on council-owned estates / properties. There's a particular road in my nearest town that is notorious for anti-social behaviour and low-level crime; it's a short-cut we drive down sometimes, and there's quite a few young men with bullies / staffies, straining at the leash - they quite frequently sport little neckerchiefs, too (the dogs, not the men).

I'm friends with a couple who live along that road, and they're quite afraid sometimes because the owners with gardens just seem to let the dogs out into them and they can be seen and heard barking and crashing up against the wood fencing... my friend is worried one of them is going to leap the fence and run amok. In fact they are thinking of moving out of that road for the very reason, not to mention the low-level crime - however that's limited to a few well-known individuals, but it's still disruptive. My friend gives these dog-owners a wide berth when she's out as she has a small dog of her own and is scared one of the big mutts might attack it. I'm told that one of the idiots has 'trained' his dog to react to the word "cats", the animal apparently gets frantic and charges around, crazed, when his owner alerts him to their presence.

Yet another very sad situation, I am sick and tired of reading about dog attacks!! I am not a dog hater nor am I afraid of dogs ( most dogs !!) However regardless of the circumstances , irresponsible owners or any other mitigating defence the fact is these dogs had mauled a woman !! the police had no option but to shoot them .

Callistemon21

Rosie51

Bluebelle the police are telling the man he has to hand over the dogs but he refuses. I can clearly hear an officer tell him he leaves them no choice, to which the man replies "Go on, do it" I think he thought they wouldn't. Then I'm not sure if the man encourages the dog to advance or whether it was the dog's choice but that's when the first dog is shot. A totally avoidable situation if the owner had just handed them over.

No, it wasn't avoidable. The man became aggressive and so did the dogs.

The officers themselves risked being attacked and did everything they could to avoid the action they had to take.

I've obviously not expressed myself clearly. I agree the police had no option but to shoot the dogs in situ. If the owner had complied with instructions to hand them over the dogs could have been euthanised more humanely, that's what I thought was avoidable, the in situ shooting. I don't think they could be allowed to live because they had mauled a woman, hence the police presence. The owner is 100% responsible for the manner in which the dogs died. I'm sure the officer who shot them would have preferred not to have been in that situation.

Proper registration, not just microchipping, and with vet approval of the dog. And I am afraid, some breeds banned.

I think the answer may be that it becomes illegal to sell and trade dogs privately. With very stiff penalties for those that ignore the law.
Dogs should only be available from registered breeders or from registered charities or rescues. That was the suitability of the new owners would be vetted.
I could have adopted a child easier than my rescue Boxers.

Rosie51

Bluebelle the police are telling the man he has to hand over the dogs but he refuses. I can clearly hear an officer tell him he leaves them no choice, to which the man replies "Go on, do it" I think he thought they wouldn't. Then I'm not sure if the man encourages the dog to advance or whether it was the dog's choice but that's when the first dog is shot. A totally avoidable situation if the owner had just handed them over.

No, it wasn't avoidable. The man became aggressive and so did the dogs.

The officers themselves risked being attacked and did everything they could to avoid the action they had to take.

Bluebelle the police are telling the man he has to hand over the dogs but he refuses. I can clearly hear an officer tell him he leaves them no choice, to which the man replies "Go on, do it" I think he thought they wouldn't. Then I'm not sure if the man encourages the dog to advance or whether it was the dog's choice but that's when the first dog is shot. A totally avoidable situation if the owner had just handed them over.

BlueBelle please do not derail this thread. This is not about dogs in pubs. But why should people with well behaved dogs, lying quietly in a corner, not seen, not heard, be punished because a few idiots can't behave. Another conversation however!

BlueBelle

The trouble is Sodapop not everyone is as considerate as you are and although I like dogs I don’t want to eat with other peoples dogs around me.
It’s not hygienic to have any animals around food besides some people are frightened of dogs, some people are allergic to them, they don’t need to be inside cafes and shops I never took my dogs ‘shopping’ why would I ? they are surely happier at home than trailing round bored in hot shops they don’t have to go everywhere
But getting back to the shot dogs
What were the police actually asking the man to do I couldn’t hear any words apart from other people shrieking OMG ?

I could hear them telling him that they just wanted to check the dogs were all right, at first.
Then asking him to surrender them.
He was replying aggressively all the time and there were a couple of bleeps on the video when he obviously used bad language. Dogs get more aggressive if their owner does. I don't know what else they could have done.

Glorianny

The police spent a long time trying to negotiate with the owner. He was refusing to give them up and becoming aggressive. Sadly I think the police had no choice. As with all these cases it isn't the dog's fault it is the owner's. I think it's time we had some sort of a system for licensing dog ownership and restricting breeding and sales.

I agree, it's getting to a stage where more stringent legislation is needed.

The police had no option. The man became aggressive and looked as if he was going to use the dogs as weapons.
The police were using the correct tactics, some trying to negotiate, others ready to pull their colleagues away if they were attacked by the dogs.

The dogs may well have been put down anyway as they had already attacked and mauled a woman. Who would have been next? A dead child?
It was unfortunate it happened in front of the public.

I agrée with you maddyone. I hope thé person with them had to change his underwear after he was tasered too.

The dogs are not the problem the humans are

I'm sure you didn't intend to echo the argument, Rosie1959, but substitute 'guns' for 'dogs' and you have exactly the same thing that American's are saying abut gun control. Which I found a bit chilling.

I'm not sure what the answer is; I know people devoted to their 'staffies' and we once owned the sweetest natured rottweiler, but I can't help thinking that there is no need for potentially dangerous breeds to be perpetuated and that we should just prohibit further breeding and let them die out.

The trouble is Sodapop not everyone is as considerate as you are and although I like dogs I don’t want to eat with other peoples dogs around me.
It’s not hygienic to have any animals around food besides some people are frightened of dogs, some people are allergic to them, they don’t need to be inside cafes and shops I never took my dogs ‘shopping’ why would I ? they are surely happier at home than trailing round bored in hot shops they don’t have to go everywhere
But getting back to the shot dogs
What were the police actually asking the man to do I couldn’t hear any words apart from other people shrieking OMG ?

The police spent a long time trying to negotiate with the owner. He was refusing to give them up and becoming aggressive. Sadly I think the police had no choice. As with all these cases it isn't the dog's fault it is the owner's. I think it's time we had some sort of a system for licensing dog ownership and restricting breeding and sales.

I don't mind dogs in restaurants if they lie quietly under the table, it's more usual to see that here in France BlueBelle definitely no eating from plates etc. I don't even allow my dogs to do that at home.
Regarding the dogs who were shot, I agree the police did the right thing, its a pity they didn't get the owner as well. So sad when this is the only thing left to do for the poor dogs.

I had to cry at that although I m not a particular doggy person it said they mauled a woman previously so I expect that’s why the police were following him, and the dogs behaviour gave them little choice but how awful for everyone. The poor dogs who in other hands may have been lovely dogs They didn’t look like ‘American bullies’ The poor police man, the watching people and the idiot

Please, please keep dogs out of pubs, cafes, restaurants they shouldn’t be in eating places ….outside not inside
I watched a woman with her bulldog sitting on the chair eating off her plate and another being given a saucer of tea on the floor No no no all wrong

It would be difficult to get a clean shot when the dogs were pulling and straining at their leash. Effectively they were out of control. I’m far more concerned about the suffering of the woman who was attacked by the dogs than I am about the dogs. They were dangerous. They were dealt with. The responsibility lies with the owner, not the police.

M0nica

I think if dogs like this were shot like this where everyone can see more frequently, then perhaps, some of the numbskulls who own them might make more of an effort to control them.

As it is the dogs involved in incidents like this and other cases where people are killed, are quietly taken away and put down later.

I am not advocating animal cruelty, but if it can be done quickly and efficiently on the spot, when and where it happens. I think it should.

Problem was this wasn’t quick or efficient from the full video those dogs suffered and it wasn’t a clean shot

According to the headline on the link, these dogs had already attacked a woman. The article doesn’t say anymore about her but I hope she’s okay.
I’ve no problem with the dogs being shot and killed. They were out of control and already attacked someone.

I think if dogs like this were shot like this where everyone can see more frequently, then perhaps, some of the numbskulls who own them might make more of an effort to control them.

As it is the dogs involved in incidents like this and other cases where people are killed, are quietly taken away and put down later.

I am not advocating animal cruelty, but if it can be done quickly and efficiently on the spot, when and where it happens. I think it should.

V3ra

^I went into a pub on holiday and a similar dog was at a table being held on a short lead by its young female owner. Every time anyone got up it reared forward, crashing into the table and filling the pub with its aggressive barking - waiters, people needing the loo, people trying to leave - all had to run the gauntlet of this beast. And the girl holding him was struggling to keep it in check.^

Did you or anyone else speak to the landlord and express your concerns Luckygirl3?

The landlord should have told that girl to leave. If she'd lost her grip on the dog's lead there could have been a really dangerous situation.

The landlord should have told that girl to leave. If she'd lost her grip on the dog's lead there could have been a really dangerous situation.

Precisely. Possibly another 'tragedy', more hand-wringing and "thoughts with the family"... and likely a dead-dog at the end of it.

I'm sick of reading about these attacks, babies, children and adults being mauled to death.

But nothing will change, this is just another episode of the same old same old, and on it will continue...

rosie1959

Poor dogs in the hands of an idiot no wonder they reacted the way they did.

Absolutely this!

I bet you were all mightily relieved!

Eventually the pub staff intervened and the dog left. Clearly they had their business to protect.