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The police has apologised over the arrest of the republican group

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 09-May-23 05:13:58

The Met has sent a letter of “regret” over the arrest of over 60+ people on Saturday.

As I said in another thread.

The police acted like idiots.

However, I am more interested in what prompted the police action, as nothing in the run up to the coronation where, both parties were actively cooperating, suggested that this would happen.

As I said - Braverman’s hand is all over this.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 09-May-23 14:28:09

I have always suspected that a good many protesters are claiming benefits Forsythia. Working people have limited paid annual leave - certainly not enough to permit them to take part in some of the long running disruptive protests - and the protests don’t all take place in school/university holidays.

From what I have seen and read the police did not act indiscriminately. I have heard the excuse for some of the protesters carrying rape alarms. Yeah, right.

Perhaps you should read some legal websites fancythat. There are plenty available. I can also post a link to the new Public Order Act if you wish to read it, though it is totally irrelevant to arrests made at the time of the Coronation.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 09-May-23 14:31:54

British culture’ is irrelevant fp. What matters is the law.

Vague suspicion’? Oh dear. You would I assume have been happy to let these people carry on and see what happened - which could have been pretty bloody.

Fleurpepper Tue 09-May-23 14:38:30

Thank you Maizie.

And the most worrying thing, is that it is so so anti-British tradition. The British Police are so well known and admired all over the world for their huge deflection, diffusion, humorous and non aggressive tactics- in comparison to so many other forces.

As said 'It is anti-democratic and it is clear that the police find it very uncomfortable.' - although sadly it will appeal to some members of the Met who have previously been held back.

Most of the people who were arrested were not violent, and did not possess anything more than placards. You may not agree with what the placards said- and neither did I- but this is what Democracy is about, and British Police within it and its magnificent reputation for humorous non-confrontational policing.

MaizieD Tue 09-May-23 14:41:58

I have heard the excuse for some of the protesters carrying rape alarms. Yeah, right.

From the twitter thread that few people will read

If you are conspiring to use a rape alarm to disrupt an event at midday, why would you go out the night before to give rape alarms to members of the public. Where is the logic? (Silly question, logic has nothing to do with policing).

And who were these "militant activists"? It turns out they were two women and one man. They were easy to spot, because they were wearing high-viz jackets. But not the orange jackets favoured by JSO. These were of the type worn by Westminster Night Stars.
(There was a picture of the said 'high viz jackets. Even had a police logo on them)

Wait, Westminster Night Stars? Who they? The latest incarnation of XR/Just Stop Oil? No.
Westminster Night Stars are NOT what the Mail call "eco-zealots". They're a group of people who patrol the streets of Westminster at night to help vulnerable people & make sure they're safe.

The police are well aware of Westminster Night Stars. They work with them and provide training. Those high-viz jackets even have Met Police branding. The police know that they're giving out rape alarms. The Home Office pays for the alarms.

twitter.com/ProfColinDavis/status/1655616447123529729

There were no other rape alarms. The police confiscated banners and luggage straps from Republic. No rape alarms. They have since returned them and apologised...

It appears that the only reference to rape alarms came from a far right group, The English Constitution party.

You'll have to see the tweet...

twitter.com/ProfColinDavis/status/1655555314215780352

hmm

Fleurpepper Tue 09-May-23 14:42:26

Germanshepherdsmum

British culture’ is irrelevant fp. What matters is the law.

Vague suspicion’? Oh dear. You would I assume have been happy to let these people carry on and see what happened - which could have been pretty bloody.

British Laws have allowed peaceful protest for a VERY long time- and have only been rushed through by Braverman.

If British culture is irrelevant, then I just don't know what to say!

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 09-May-23 14:45:54

Oh, no police brutality then? I expect the leader of Republic will argue otherwise.
The ‘most worrying thing’ for me is that people here would have been happy to let the arrested people just carry on and see what happened, despite the intelligence received. Thank goodness the British police so admired by fp did what they are supposed to do - keep the British public safe. And all those visitors from all over the world.

Aveline Tue 09-May-23 14:49:49

I slight deviation from the police. Having seen the photos of the banners etc being unloaded from van/s they looked like industrial quantities and were certainly packaged like that. I wonder where they were fabricated? Is there a factory producing items like that? How are they paid for and who pays?

Anniebach Tue 09-May-23 14:49:51

Were there only six arrests of republicans ? Who were the rest?

fancythat Tue 09-May-23 14:49:56

Germanshepherdsmum

I have always suspected that a good many protesters are claiming benefits Forsythia. Working people have limited paid annual leave - certainly not enough to permit them to take part in some of the long running disruptive protests - and the protests don’t all take place in school/university holidays.

From what I have seen and read the police did not act indiscriminately. I have heard the excuse for some of the protesters carrying rape alarms. Yeah, right.

Perhaps you should read some legal websites fancythat. There are plenty available. I can also post a link to the new Public Order Act if you wish to read it, though it is totally irrelevant to arrests made at the time of the Coronation.

I will read some, so long as they are not too heavy.
Which ones would you suggest?

I will take a look at the new Public Order Act sometime. I presume it is easy to find.

Fleurpepper Tue 09-May-23 14:51:03

what intelligence received- this has been debunked 100%.

The right to protest is enshrined in the British way of life, culture and policing. You know that, I am sure. How did confiscating placards saying 'Not my King' keep anyone safe?

Aveline Tue 09-May-23 14:52:32

Just think about it Fleurpepper

Fleurpepper Tue 09-May-23 14:53:03

I have.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 09-May-23 14:53:15

fp Kindly tell me which part of the Public Order Act 2023 prevents peaceful protest.
You don’t understand the difference between culture and law? Try telling a judge that something is contrary to your cultural rights (whatever you think they are) rather than your legal rights, stemming from and enshrined in the law. Or maybe you are confusing common law and statute law?

nexus63 Tue 09-May-23 14:55:45

we will have another coronation in the next 20 years as the king is 74, we will go through the same thing again, people have the right to peaceful protest, but arresting before hand is not right.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 09-May-23 14:57:42

Worrying, Aveline. I do wish fp would drop this stuff about the British way of life and British culture (which to me means village fetes, pubs and chippies) and confine herself to the only thing that is relevant - the law. I practised law - not culture.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 09-May-23 14:58:40

Wait until someone’s been seriously hurt or killed eh nexus.

Anniebach Tue 09-May-23 15:01:17

If, God forbid, anyone is hurt we can expect the blame to be laid on the police.

Fleurpepper Tue 09-May-23 15:02:59

No, not at all GSM, no confusion on my part.

The Met apologised for wrongly arresting 60+ people, not for nothing.

British Culture and tradition are both hugely important, Coronation or not. A Judge will judge on actions and not on 'suspicions'- I thought have thought you more than anyone else would know that.

I have been to enough marches, demonstrations and festivals to know that the British police have been champions at dealing with protestors with humour, defusing... in a non-aggressive and wonderful way.

Braverman's hand was all over this suddent change of behaviour and tactics. As said above- making many in the police force very uncomfortable- especially after the recent criticism of a few twisted and corrupt minds within.

Fleurpepper Tue 09-May-23 15:04:02

Germanshepherdsmum

Wait until someone’s been seriously hurt or killed eh nexus.

Well, of course, the potential is always there. So we go all North Korea on British culture, just in case ... really.

Fleurpepper Tue 09-May-23 15:05:46

AGains BSM, if the best of British culture, which includes the right to protest, no longer matters, then it is truly a sad day.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 09-May-23 15:07:33

You’re being silly now. I’m out.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 09-May-23 15:09:58

Fleurpepper

AGains BSM, if the best of British culture, which includes the right to protest, no longer matters, then it is truly a sad day.

What part of there were hundreds of protesters protesting complete with banners and shouting slogans throughout the Coronation Ceremony and ceremonial parade, do you either choose to dismiss or in fact did not see?

The right to protest is still on the statute books of the UK

Mollygo Tue 09-May-23 15:23:27

Well, for example, if I’m there, with members of my group, who managed to resist arrest, exercising our right and peacefully protesting (in very loud voices but no placards) that a republic would be wrong, I wonder what our chances of remaining unharmed by an accidental placard would be.

Aveline Tue 09-May-23 15:30:43

Who ordered, produced and paid for all those placards? It was organised and planned. Who would be glad to see things go wrong in such a major event in the UK? So many questions.

Mollygo Tue 09-May-23 15:51:32

Aveline

Who ordered, produced and paid for all those placards? It was organised and planned. Who would be glad to see things go wrong in such a major event in the UK? So many questions.

Well for a start, it was probably funded in part by GN republicans, don’t you think? And someone, I forget who, mentioned money pouring into republican coffers after the arrests. So will there be thanks, or 3 cheers for the police who inadvertently boosted republican funds