The police has apologised over the arrest of the republican group

The difference between us, HPQ, is that I have always read the law (statute or common) rather than rely on the explanatory commentary. Yes, I’m sure you had a well thumbed copy of the Yellow Book to hand even though a practice manager. If only I had needed just the one, regularly updated, book. Criminal law was an area on which I was examined in order to qualify, along with a good many others.

maddyone

Fleurpepper

Katie, only just over 30% of young people are in favour ofMonarchy. So by the time of the next Coronation, what % will it be?

I can fully understand that young people feel that this huge display of pomp at such huge cost, was a slap in the face of all those struggling with the cost of living, à la 'let them eat Cakism'.

Is this a thread about some people who were arrested at the coronation, or a thread about the poor and disadvantaged who are assumed to dislike the royal family because they’ve got more money than them?

PS I worked in a poor area for many years and all royal events were celebrated with gusto. It seems to me that some middle class people on here think they know what poor and disadvantaged people think. They don’t! The protesters were far more likely to be middle class/educated/retired than people from poor areas.

Fully aware of this- for older people, and some in the middle. My post is about young people- up to the age of 25, of all 'classes'. Whether you agree or not, they will be the ones who will matter at the next Coronation- not you or I, or our generation.

I remember having socialist views until I got my first pay packet. My son was the same.

Germanshepherdsmum

People’s right to protest peacefully has not been removed. And as I have already said, the new legislation was not relied upon . It was abundantly clear from the television coverage that plenty of protesters remained.

I am trying to get my head around this.
What did you mean by "the new legislation was not relied upon."

Parts of the new Act was used it seems, according to the link from Casdon.

I haven’t said a single word about who will be at the next coronation. Not a single word. You fp were making assumptions about ‘the poor.’ It’s never a good idea to assume you know what an entire group of people think, or will think.

Is this a thread about some people who were arrested at the coronation, or a thread about the poor and disadvantaged who are assumed to dislike the royal family because they’ve got more money than them?
Depends who you’re asking, but for this post, the second.
My DGD enjoyed the coronation, recognises that her taxes might have contributed, but is far more interested in all the local second home owners who make it impossible to buy a house where she works.

maddyone

Thanks for that verification Casdon. I said way back in the thread that these protesters were carrying paint, rape alarms, and glue. They did not intend to merely heckle and carry a few placards. I hate to think about their true intentions because missiles such as paint being hurled or rape alarms going off would have resulted in serious injuries to many in the crowds or to the participants in the procession, because the horses would have been spooked and terrified. I can only conclude that injury and death is what they wanted and that is evil.

There was more than one group of protestors, maddyone.

Where are you getting the idea from that the people carrying paint were anything to do with Republic?

Or the idea that Republic protestors were carrying rape alarms when the people who were carrying rape alarms were a group of three charity workers on a scheme approved by the police, who were trained by the police and whose rape alarms were supplied by the Home Office?

Or even, that all the protestors along the route were part of Republic?

It's like Chinese Whispers on here today.

P.S. And the charity workers were arrested at 2 o'clock in the morning. The middle of the night. Why would anyone be distributing illicit rape alarms to god only knows who at 2 a,m?

Very well put in this article. And I know, some of you will say 'oh it's the Grauniad'

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/09/makes-you-proud-to-be-british-banging-people-up-god-save-the-king?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

And no, I have made no assumptions about 'the poor', nor about some people being jealous because the King has more money than some (you do know that we all tax payers paid for this, I am quite sure).

Move along. Nothing to see here. Of course you have a right to peaceful protest. Just as I have a right to arrest you if I feel like it. So it would be a good idea for you to move quietly behind this grandstand so that the BBC cameras can’t film you. Not that they would. They know their place. Besides, they will never do another royal event if they do. So move along quietly. Is that a Velcro fastener on your jacket? A belt round your waist? Planning to lock on, are we? Then you’re nicked. God save the king.

From the article above.

It certainly makes me feel disquiet.
And I am pro monarchy[less King Charles than Queen Elizabeth 11].

I need to look up about arresting people on suspicion they are going to do something.

They need to suspect you are involved in a crime to arrest someone.

www.gov.uk/police-powers-of-arrest-your-rights#:~:text=To%20arrest%20you%20the%20police,at%20home%20or%20at%20work.

Many Tory MPs are expressing strong concern, that is good to see.

Did you just not see all the protesters easily viewable on BBC cameras or were you not watching at all?

Germanshepherdsmum

I remember having socialist views until I got my first pay packet. My son was the same.

Oh this old chestnut! You do realise that most of us who advocate against the current disastrous Tory politics are not on the dole, or down and out, or in the poorer echelons of society, and un-educated, etc, etc... or even socialists, I hope!!!

Wanting good education for all, a good Health and Social system, and a thriving, forward thinking modern economy which does not abuse people, is not 'just ' a socialist ideal.

Exactly Aveline there were plenty of protesters.

Aveline

Did you just not see all the protesters easily viewable on BBC cameras or were you not watching at all?

I saw a woman with a placard advocating the beheading of the Royal Family and wondered if George, Charlotte and Louis saw that too.
How frightening for them if they did.

Oh that's horrible Callistemon I hope the children didn't see it.

Can’t upset the children, they are wealthy

I saw a woman with a placard advocating the beheading of the Royal Family and wondered if George, Charlotte and Louis saw that too.
How frightening for them if they did.

And that’s what republicans call a peaceful protest? Please don’t protest that all Republicans are like that.
Republicans, like monarchists will be associated with the worst of their kind.

Oh, that is horrendous.
Republic have lost all my respect.
They have really done themselves no favours.
I wrote yesterday that I didn’t understand what the aim of the protest was. I can understand it now.

Is it possible they did, and that is why they were late?
Apparently the Wales[if that is the right word] were late because of all the children. They could have got very upset.
Just musing.

No surprise, there is much hatred in their voices

The guardian editorial has put my opinion absolutely succinctly and far better than I can

*The home secretary’s law means that policing dissent is more politicised than ever.

It does the police no good if officers are thought to be at the beck and call of politicians. That is why Lord Dennib, the most celebrated English judge of the 20th century, argued that the responsibility of law enforcement ought to lie solely with the police. “Chief constables are answerable to the law and law alone”. Yet when it comes to demonstrations it appears that instead of police proportionately applying the law of the land, officers are being cowed into serving ministerial interests.
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Police have to balance people’s right to peacefully express their views with disruption to the wider population. But todays Conservative Party seems to have no interest in dissent or respect for opposing views.
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We have already had judges labelled “enemies of the people” and seen the vilification of “lefty lawyers” and now there is blatant political intimidation of the police (by Braverman) - typified by her accusing the police of backing Stop the Oil protests.

Freedom of expression and freedom of assembly are the cornerstones of British democracy. These liberties must be protected however inconvenient it might seem.

Unless this is done, and we retain these constitutional conventions sounder threat from Braverman that Sue Sim - a former chief constable said at the weekend that this country is risking becoming a police state.

I’m sorry I posted before proof reading