Lords lay into the governments illegal migration bill

Germanshepherdsmum

And that’s not an invitation to tell us again about the outside lav.

Spoil sport...

It wasn't actually outside, it was..

Oh, never mind...

maddyone

volver thanks for that

However I wasn’t actually talking about dependents being supported financially by the British government, but it’s good to know that they need a certain amount of money to support themselves, although the amounts mentioned don’t seem large and possibly wouldn’t support them completely. However, you will notice I mentioned infrastructure meaning housing, schools for their children (which we do pay for) health care (which we do pay for) use of public transport or the many pot holed roads, increased traffic meaning increased pollution, and so on. There is certainly a cost to the British government although of course students buy food and other items which adds to the economy and they pay fees to the universities which helps fund them. Obviously it’s multi faceted. But our crumbling and inadequate infrastructure means that this policy is being pursued without proper thought as to the consequences on the people who are already here, and in my opinion is misguided, until or unless, proper facilities are put in place to accommodate all these extra people.

To borrow a line from James O'Brien...

Oh.

www.theguardian.com/education/2023/may/16/international-students-boosted-uk-economy-by-42bn-in-20212-study?CMP=share_btn_tw

Just wondering at which point in the PhD process one stops being an ordinary woman in the street? #askingforafriend

Students, yes - but we were talking about their dependants. I know only too well how many foreign students our best universities attract - when my son was at the LSE there was only one other British student on his course. They were predominantly from China, Hong Kong and other parts of Asia. The LSE benefits enormously from the higher fees and as the students he knew came from wealthy families the local economy did well too.

Germanshepherdsmum

Students, yes - but we were talking about their dependants. I know only too well how many foreign students our best universities attract - when my son was at the LSE there was only one other British student on his course. They were predominantly from China, Hong Kong and other parts of Asia. The LSE benefits enormously from the higher fees and as the students he knew came from wealthy families the local economy did well too.

How many of them had dependants with them?

My son is near the end of an MSc at a prestigious university. I know that a number of the students are from overseas and paid three times the fee he did. I don't have the impression that many of those students have dependants, but I'll ask my son.

Anniel

I have read all the posts here and there seems no point in trying to make time to get involved with those posters who view the world quite differently from the ordinary msn or woman on the street. We have irreconcilable differences which no statistics or clever attempts to change minds will work. My experience of life is completely different from some people here. So it will be a relief to some of you that I have nothing more to say on this difference about our core beliefs. We will wait and see as Mr Asquith once said.

I don't live on the street, but I'm fairly ordinary.

None to my knowledge. All young. If you read my post again you will see that I was not talking about dependants but responding to the link to the article about foreign students.

volver3

maddyone

volver thanks for that

However I wasn’t actually talking about dependents being supported financially by the British government, but it’s good to know that they need a certain amount of money to support themselves, although the amounts mentioned don’t seem large and possibly wouldn’t support them completely. However, you will notice I mentioned infrastructure meaning housing, schools for their children (which we do pay for) health care (which we do pay for) use of public transport or the many pot holed roads, increased traffic meaning increased pollution, and so on. There is certainly a cost to the British government although of course students buy food and other items which adds to the economy and they pay fees to the universities which helps fund them. Obviously it’s multi faceted. But our crumbling and inadequate infrastructure means that this policy is being pursued without proper thought as to the consequences on the people who are already here, and in my opinion is misguided, until or unless, proper facilities are put in place to accommodate all these extra people.

To borrow a line from James O'Brien...

Oh.

www.theguardian.com/education/2023/may/16/international-students-boosted-uk-economy-by-42bn-in-20212-study?CMP=share_btn_tw

That link is well worth reading. Thanks for posting it.

Germanshepherdsmum

None to my knowledge. All young. If you read my post again you will see that I was not talking about dependants but responding to the link to the article about foreign students.

That's what I initially understood, but I was reading it in the context of other posts and was a tad confused.

Apologies for the misunderstanding.

😊

Germanshepherdsmum

Students, yes - but we were talking about their dependants. I know only too well how many foreign students our best universities attract - when my son was at the LSE there was only one other British student on his course. They were predominantly from China, Hong Kong and other parts of Asia. The LSE benefits enormously from the higher fees and as the students he knew came from wealthy families the local economy did well too.

Even when taking into account dependants and the cost to public services, which it estimates at £4.4bn, the study says international students are a huge net contributor to the UK economy, providing a total net benefit of £37.4bn.

((sigh))

This is from the article.

£37.4 Bn peanuts

Huge net contributors to the universities, certainly.

But greater than zero and not a drain on resources. Which people have been wittering on about since this thread started.

If you think £37.4 Bn is peanuts.. are you Michelle Mone?

Just looking at the national debt….

I'm loving this.

It kind of goes: "Here is my belief"

Well here are some facts that disprove your beliefs.

"Well what about x?"

Here are some facts that disprove x as well

"But I know what I believe!!"

Some days it becomes clear how we've ended up in the mess we're in.

Also of course we still have the problem of grossly inadequate healthcare, housing supply and huge price inflation.

Also the energy sector is holding the country to ransom… that is your specialty?

Right, that's clear then.

Let's make no attempt to ameliorate anything unless it will pay off all the National Debt at one fell swoop. It's not worth it.

Germanshepherdsmum

So Casdon = everyone else?

I’ve clicked on your very helpful link, which enables one to look at data for individual years.

Here’s a link for you in return - enjoy.
barrowcadbury.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/understanding-the-rise-in-channel-crossings-october-22-1.pdf

Thank you for posting that informative link.

V3 also you do understand that for every student family housed in accommodation, there is one less unit available for the very long queue of homeless families already living here?

ronib

Also of course we still have the problem of grossly inadequate healthcare, housing supply and huge price inflation.

Also the energy sector is holding the country to ransom… that is your specialty?

How does an increase in the amount students bring into the economy increase inflation?

The report claims that the economy benefits, not just universities. Indirectly, that money is funding the NHS, not taking away from it. As most students are young, they need healthcare less than the average anyway. The biggest users of the NHS are young children, the elderly and pregnant women - students are unlikely to fall into any of those categories.

As for housing, most students don't occupy family homes. Anybody who lives in a university town/city probably knows that there's an increase in building student bedsits specifically for overseas students, which wouldn't be suitable for families. On the other hand, they offer opportunities for regeneration of some of our cities and bring money into the local economies.

ronib

V3 also you do understand that for every student family housed in accommodation, there is one less unit available for the very long queue of homeless families already living here?

A purpose-built student bedsit wouldn't be suitable for a family.

ronib

V3 also you do understand that for every student family housed in accommodation, there is one less unit available for the very long queue of homeless families already living here?

We've jumped the shark.

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We weren’t confined to talking about bedsit accommodation but bringing dependents over and families require more than one bedsit. Thus taking from a very scarce commodity.