Lords lay into the governments illegal migration bill

Growing the beard V3?

ronib

DH and I were talking about Mao over afternoon coffee.

(I might not have all the details right, but this is relevant, stick with me...)

It was noticed that sparrows were eating up all the grain that had been planted across China, so there was a directive to kill all the sparrows. There was a bounty on sparrows. Everyone was killing sparrows, their number became trivial in comparison to what it had been. So, much of the grain planted, did survive.

But all the pests that the sparrows also fed on thrived, bed bugs and locusts I believe.

So my point is, just because something looks good in the short term, you have to think if it will be worthwhile in the end and what the unintended consequences might be.

Not sure that helps…. But nice try.

Ah well. I tried.

And I think that’s the main concern - the vast majority of accommodation provided specifically for students, whether by universities or the private sector, is not suitable for families. A student plus possibly partner (at a stretch in most cases) only. So accommodation suitable for families is taken up and, if there is a child, nursery/school places too. Those are important additional costs, and most foreign students will be living in university cities such as, but obviously not only, London, Oxford and Cambridge where accommodation is very expensive. The demand is increased, the supply is static, the cost rises accordingly.

Overseas students and their families are good for the UK and are generating lots of money.

no, no, its not true, it can't be... they are taking our precious bodily fluids

(Dr Strangelove reference there...)

Tell that to the families who can’t rent suitable accommodation in university cities.

Seems to me that a few posters on here just like playing games of one upmanship, implying how clever they are ( god only knows if they are or not btw) and don’t really care about the subject.
My view on the student/ dependents is that if the student is married they should be allowed to come and live here for the duration of the course as long as they are completely self funding.If married with children then no, and why is the student applying to do a course here in that case.
A family of seven is just crazy and this should be reversed in my opinion.

Its imperfect data transmission, isn't it? Something is said without corroboration, then a bit is added, some information is posted that doesn't agree with a strongly held but baseless idea, and there is indignation and denial all over the place.

I want our country and it's inhabitants to decide what is the right thing to do based on truths. Not on a complete misunderstanding of how the world works and what anyone "just knows" is good for the rest of us.

If people think that's just gamesmanship I can't do anything about that.

Of course, that’s why I couldn’t read (or not in detail) the graph you posted earlier - imperfect data transmission.

Oreo, you are very perceptive and I entirely agree with what you say.

You can stop playing the oneupmanship game volver, that’s what you can do.

You mean give up because other people don't like being told when they're wrong?

No, that's not going to happen.

There is no hope.

Sensible post Oreo.👏

Two things I’ve read recently about immigration.

1. Sunak admitted yesterday that he will not fulfill his manifesto pledge obverse the reduction of total immigrants.

2. Braverman is after getting rid of rules that govern houses of multiple occupation, which governs things like gas and electrical safety, size of rooms to let, infestation, damp etc etc.
She is hoping to do this because she figures that they are filled with migrants, and so can cram even more into tinier and tinier spaces. Resulting in the spread of diseases that has not been heard of in this country since Victorian times, like diphtheria.

However, migrants are not the only occupants of such places. Think students, single people etc. so even if you are content to see migrants suffer perhaps you would draw the line at your grandchildren suffering the same rat infested dangerous conditions.

Ww2 SB has her back against the wall in terms of accommodation - there’s criticism of housing migrants in four star hotels, also uproar when disused army barracks were looked at and ships and boats don’t look too popular either.

In my area, rents for a single room have risen from £700 a month to £900. So I don’t know why any government thinks that there should be no minimum standards in houses of multiple occupation. The rents charged are very high and tenants are entitled to minimum levels of safety and comfort. This is simply wrong and I hope the major housing charities speak out and force a rethink.

How many students bring with them families of seven?

I cannot believe what I am reading on recent N & P threads. Minds seem to be shrinking to the size of a walnut..

... or a pine nut.

Oreo

Seems to me that a few posters on here just like playing games of one upmanship, implying how clever they are ( god only knows if they are or not btw) and don’t really care about the subject.
My view on the student/ dependents is that if the student is married they should be allowed to come and live here for the duration of the course as long as they are completely self funding.If married with children then no, and why is the student applying to do a course here in that case.
A family of seven is just crazy and this should be reversed in my opinion.

What numbers are you talking about? How many students come to the UK with families?

The figures are available online for overseas students and dependents. Maybe no breakdown of family size ? but increase in dependents is shown.
Bit tedious to research .

Ps brains the sizes of walnuts and pine nuts should cope…. It’s that level of tedium.