Mad as a box of badgers

Doesn’t seem as if James Orr, UK Edmund Burke Foundation, has signed up to the document as his signature is missing.
Does that mean the UK has a different set of principles ?

Let's remind posters of the Principles of National Conservatism

www.theamericanconservative.com/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

And worry about people who approve of them...

Whitewavemark2

Yes it was noticeable that despite their insistence on liberalism and free speech etc, they stopped reporters from interviewing the audience.

The American concept of liberalism is different from in the UK.

Whitewavemark2

They have an idea of the family circa 1950s. - listen to Kruger’s speech. They reject any idea of progressiveness in relationships. There is racism, misogynistic ideas and LGBTQ and divorce is frowned on.

It didn't exist. Only in magazines.

I’ll try to find it - thanks

Are on their own, my over lengthy post should say

To be fair I have heard much more eloquent advocates of this position.

I have just tried to link WW but am useless and on my phone. There is an edited version of his speech in the spectator. I dont agree with much he says, and he doesnt mention gay or lesbian parenting at all in the edited version, but there is something about the two parent thing that does need unpicking, for those (generally women) who arent married/on their own, and particularly those without the access to all the benefits that being middle classes brings, then solo parenting frequently means negative consequences for those women and children, and of course provides a lovely escape route for some men.

Yes it was noticeable that despite their insistence on liberalism and free speech etc, they stopped reporters from interviewing the audience.

An interesting insight from OpenDemocracy.
www.opendemocracy.net/en/inside-national-conservatism-conference-suella-braverman-immigration-wind-farms-rifles/
In their words, no shortage of whackadoodlery! (what a perfectly descriptive word that is, I’ve added it to my vocabulary).

Galaxy

I actually have read the full speech about 'ideal family', it's more nuanced than being presented here. Much of it made me smile, something about undoing decades of economics issues (as if the Tories havent been in power for most of that) but there are complex issues around marriage that are worth discussing. Theres something vaguely uncomfortable about people cheering on something which is frequently disastrous for the vulnerable members of our society.

Can you do a link please? 🙂

I actually have read the full speech about 'ideal family', it's more nuanced than being presented here. Much of it made me smile, something about undoing decades of economics issues (as if the Tories havent been in power for most of that) but there are complex issues around marriage that are worth discussing. Theres something vaguely uncomfortable about people cheering on something which is frequently disastrous for the vulnerable members of our society.

The NAT CONS are a Trumpian Republican organisation, they have been around for a number of years and have had regular conferences attended by American far right as well as European far righters.

And no U.K. voters would not take well to the push of Christianity never have never will. It isn’t how things work in this country.

“British society is one of the most secularised in the world and in many surveys determining religious beliefs of the population agnosticism, nontheism, atheism, secular humanism, and non-affiliation are views shared by large percentages of Britons.”

I’d suggest you read the thread on Mumsnet about national conservatism ronib. Type those words into the search bar and it will come up. Suffice to say the title can’t be repeated on Gransnet.

Trump and family values are a complete mismatch. I don’t think NatCons are Trumpian but follow basic Christian principles of putting the family first, take personal responsibility for your children and bring faith back into your life. Well it might work for some but not everyone. Also an attempt to put boundaries back into society? Some people don’t cope well with a free fall society. Others clearly do.

ronib

Don’t forget it’s a group of fairly well heeled, well educated and well connected young people who are pushing the NatCon agenda through. My son is of their generation and he suggested awhile ago that his generation is rejecting the values of the woke, anything goes left wing. (Not that he is a member).
The NatCons won’t be going away.
Progressive is very value laden.

There are certainly young people who attended, but it is undoubtedly very Trumpian in its values, including the religious right, but in my opinion the U.K. voter is nothing like American voter on the right.

Ditto abortion.

They have an idea of the family circa 1950s. - listen to Kruger’s speech. They reject any idea of progressiveness in relationships. There is racism, misogynistic ideas and LGBTQ and divorce is frowned on.

Don’t forget it’s a group of fairly well heeled, well educated and well connected young people who are pushing the NatCon agenda through. My son is of their generation and he suggested awhile ago that his generation is rejecting the values of the woke, anything goes left wing. (Not that he is a member).
The NatCons won’t be going away.
Progressive is very value laden.

No I prefer what I wrote

Modern progressive.

Ww2 maybe leave out the word ‘progressive’ - just modern makes sense.

What it all boils down to really is that it is a group of right wingers who dislike modern progressive life.

Yes, he did say Sunak was not fully grounded in British culture. I have found a link on YouTube but I don't want to post it as it has a presenter that I know nothing about. GB news has apparently deleted the original clip.

Yes he did. Not grounded in British culture, it was connected to appreciation of the coronation.
As I have avoided all royal events my grounding must be shaky.

Didn't Starkey recently say that Sunak doesn't understand British culture? I will look for a link.