Braverman attempts a cover up.

ronib

Long story… but what is the problem in asking how this particular leak made its way into headline news? I always thought that we had an Official Secrets Act? Or a civil service code of conduct?

I don’t understand why transparency is only one way… but would not want it to turn into an obsession!

Nothing wrong with asking the question, but I doubt if anybody on GN knows. Assuming you actually know the answer is another matter.

Germanshepherdsmum

Hence one to one courses are available. If you’re frantically busy who do you ask to look into it?

You do what every other frantically busy person does and Google information in your own time.

Long story… but what is the problem in asking how this particular leak made its way into headline news? I always thought that we had an Official Secrets Act? Or a civil service code of conduct?

I don’t understand why transparency is only one way… but would not want it to turn into an obsession!

Golly ronib, you seem to worry that most civil servants start each day with a rousing chorus of The Red Flag.
The two senior civil servants I was acquainted with, plus one junior diplomat, behaved utterly professionally and impartial in their working life, as far as I could see. In private, their political views seemed to have more in common with Vlad the Impaler than Jeremy Corbyn.

Hence one to one courses are available. If you’re frantically busy who do you ask to look into it?

Also when you are caught speeding you can access your car details and see the photo of you driving and your passenger if you have one online so no getting away with it.

I had to do the online speed awareness course and you can see everyone else who is on it, hear them speak and answer questions.

The online course lasts 2 hours and 45 minutes and participants aren't given flexibility about the timing, so they're inconvenient for people with a busy work schedule (not just MPs). That's part of the punishment and the price for not receiving points on your licence.

The point is that it was a totally private matter. Strictly speaking, Braverman should not have been using publicly paid civil servants even to ask for advice. I'm not sure how they were supposed to know anyway.

cc

Many people took online courses during Covid and perhaps she thought this was still possible. To put it mildly I'm not a fan of hers (in fact I believe she has made too many mistakes to be allowed to keep her job) but I don't agree with hounding her in this case.

It is still possible.

Many people took online courses during Covid and perhaps she thought this was still possible. To put it mildly I'm not a fan of hers (in fact I believe she has made too many mistakes to be allowed to keep her job) but I don't agree with hounding her in this case.

ronib

I might have some unique historical experiences of the Civil Service which probably account for my reluctance to see them with your innocence . However a clear impartial investigation of leaks would pacify both of us.

This goes way beyond a reluctance to see the civil service with what you are claiming is the innocence of others ronib, it’s an obsession you have to put the blame on the civil service without any evidence at all to corroborate what you’re accusing them of. That is not rational. You may turn out to be right, but if you don’t you are going to look foolishly obsessional. Balance is the best approach until we know the facts.

I might have some unique historical experiences of the Civil Service which probably account for my reluctance to see them with your innocence . However a clear impartial investigation of leaks would pacify both of us.

Not a fan of SB but think it depends on whether she asked if it was POSSIBLE for a private course because of work commitments/security etc or whether she demanded a private course be arranged to avoid publicity.
Too many people in public life seem to think the normal rules of everyday life don't apply to them and imo SB is one of them but who really knows. Another dilemma for RS!

ronib

MaizieD I suggest that it’s very important that we have full confidence in all aspects of government including the role of the Civil Service. So how about an investigation into the way leaks are handled and how they happen? Then we could all rest quietly.

You're just changing the subject now.

Address you obsession with civil servants trying to oust MPs.

MaizieD I suggest that it’s very important that we have full confidence in all aspects of government including the role of the Civil Service. So how about an investigation into the way leaks are handled and how they happen? Then we could all rest quietly.

But she does have "form" and now there is the Rwanda "undisclosed links" story.

ronib

MaizieD how do you know this?
Raab is not standing as an mp in the next election. Effectively expunged wouldn’t you say?

Some 40 tory MPs have said that they are not standing at the next GE.

Now make a 'the civil service has expunged them' conspiracy theory out of that... I'm sure you're more than capable of doing so.

You only have to give one name if you do the course remotely online so she could've kept anonymous on that if she'd called herself Sue ! There's alot of us .

MaizieD how do you know this?
Raab is not standing as an mp in the next election. Effectively expunged wouldn’t you say?

ronib

MaizieD are you saying SB wasn’t democratically elected?
Are you saying that the story wasn’t leaked to the press?
Are you saying that a retired very senior civil servant isn’t briefing against SB?

Oh, for goodness sake. Read the posts properly.

Freya was posting nonsense.

No-one is trying to to get rid of Braverman as an MP.

Not a fan of hers or the Conservatives in general. But I do think this is being blown out of proportion. Unless she put pressure on the civil servants, rather than 'just asked'. But I'm sure we will find out in due course.

Well, of course she attempted a cover-up.......
she's a politician......she thinks she's bulletproof........she thinks that the rules that apply to us normal folk don't apply to her, just like the rest of them!

Suella Braverman accused of fresh ministerial code breaches over undisclosed links to Rwanda

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/suella-braverman-rwanda-ministerial-code-b2343646.html

growstuff

How do you two know that the civil service is behind the leak?

Talk about trial by assumption!

PS. What security implications?

They don’t. It’s just easier to assume that if you don’t want to face the reality that it could be a plot from within the Tory party to get rid of one of the most dangerous women in UK politics. I will think more of the party if that is the case.

How do you two know that the civil service is behind the leak?

Talk about trial by assumption!

PS. What security implications?