Braverman attempts a cover up.

ronib

MaizieD in the absence of any real evidence/information, why not fixate on the secretary? It makes as much sense/nonsense as anything else that’s been written.

Well, ronib, the story I've seen says that two senior HO civil servants approached the Cabinet Office for advice on Braverman's request. That doesn't sound like 'a secretary' to me...

The request may have been passed up to them. Who knows?

Germanshepherdsmum

The request may have been passed up to them. Who knows?

In which case, even the lowly office junior secretary must have known that it was probably wrong...

As I said, who knows? This is getting very boring.

No point in dancing on a pin head.

No 10 is leaking this information.

Braverman has criticised No 10 within the past couple of weeks or so.

This is a push back. It may be just a warning to her, or it may be the beginning of her end in the HO. Sunak owes her nothing, except the promise the HO job from which she had been sacked , for her support

Her support has apparently gone, so Sunak May now see her as too much of a liability as her time at the HO has not been remotely successful,

Her performance in the HoC, just attacking Labour instead of answering questions from Yvette Cooper, was pathetic, and rightly challenged by The Speaker.

There's often a "tipping point" in public life, where the "final straw" has been reached in a relatively undramatic way, and this may well be one of them.

Its all this I find interesting, and tb fair, no one is obliged to continue posting on this thread!

The institute for government explains in detail the roles surrounding ministers including 2) managing the diary.

I didn’t realise that there was another issue too. Yvette Cooper said:
‘She refused to say what she asked civil servants to do, so I ask her that again, and to also tell us whether she authorised her special adviser to tell journalists that there wasn't a speeding penalty when there was," she asks.
Ms Braverman replies, almost exhaustedly, that she was speeding last year.
"I regret that. I paid the fine. I accepted the points. At no time, did I seek to avoid the sanction. What is serious here is the priority of the British people," she says.’
(Sky News).
Apparently the Mirror were on to this denial of the speeding fine in April, and there’s a transcript of the conversation with the Special Advisor.

She denied that she was caught speeding on a number of occasions. Just as she previously broke the ministerial code on numerous occasions and for which she was sacked.

ronib you don’t seriously believe managing a diary is the same as making personal beneficial arrangements for a minister?

I can imagine Siope that in conversation with a minister, a diary officer might feasibly be asked about the time slot availability for taking a speed awareness course. Bearing in mind the huge work load of a senior government minister, an informal conversation might follow about how to arrange such an appointment to fit in with a very busy schedule….etc.
Obviously SB did talk to someone in her team and the rest is conjecture. I would love to know who snitched and why but that’s just curiosity?

She was filmed doing 23mph in a 20 mph area' If the speed excess is minor, the powers reserve the right to offer a 'speed awareness course instead of penalty points, but the fine is still levied for the offense of speeding..

You would think this was the Profumo affair.

ronib

I can imagine Siope that in conversation with a minister, a diary officer might feasibly be asked about the time slot availability for taking a speed awareness course. Bearing in mind the huge work load of a senior government minister, an informal conversation might follow about how to arrange such an appointment to fit in with a very busy schedule….etc.
Obviously SB did talk to someone in her team and the rest is conjecture. I would love to know who snitched and why but that’s just curiosity?

Yes, make enquiries about timing of courses and book a public one in, but that's not the issue, is it?

I repeat, for the Conservatives its the future survival of the Party, and for me, the future of a very dangerous woman in terms of our democracy who allies herself with forces outside our democracy and demonises for populist purposes whole groups of people.

Straw and Camels back time.

ronib

I can imagine Siope that in conversation with a minister, a diary officer might feasibly be asked about the time slot availability for taking a speed awareness course. Bearing in mind the huge work load of a senior government minister, an informal conversation might follow about how to arrange such an appointment to fit in with a very busy schedule….etc.
Obviously SB did talk to someone in her team and the rest is conjecture. I would love to know who snitched and why but that’s just curiosity?

If you want to know who snitched, keep an ear to the ground and note who briefs against her in the next few weeks.

I feel much the same about this as I do about Matt Hancock's "wandering hand". IMO he was totally out of his depth and the contracts he was handing out to people with a connection to the Newmarket racing scene were suspicious to say the least. He was caught out a few times lying through his teeth about recruitment and hospital new builds, but somehow nobody seemed that bothered - despite (allegedly) not being popular with other MPs. I thought it ironic that he was forced to resign because he was having an affair. What about being a useless minister? Who released that CCTV picture anyway?

If Braverman is forced to resign or is sacked, I will not be shedding any tears. She was out of her depth as Attorney General and is now as Home Secretary. Even grassroots Conservative members have turned against her. She's a vote loser and bank bench MPs know that. The knives will be out - that's how it works.

Yes

Germanshepherdsmum

You would think this was the Profumo affair.

Fun, isn’t it!

Germanshepherdsmum

You would think this was the Profumo affair.

Indeed.

Germanshepherdsmum

You would think this was the Profumo affair.

It’s actually pathetic how some people just itch for some of their mud to stick.

I could go on about some negative Labour news from today but I honestly won’t stoop to their level.

I don't think discussion the effect of transgressions by someone as appalling as Braverman - and hoping she will be replaced by someone less toxic - is about "itching for mud to stick". to me, its about removing a dangerous politician.

I'd be interested to discuss Labour Party stuff, but suggest you start a discussion on it?

Sir Philip Rycroft is briefing against SB .

The plot thickens.

Sorry not Philip but Matthew Rycroft …

ronib

Sorry not Philip but Matthew Rycroft …

Are you sure? It is Sir Philip Rycroft, who retired in 2019 who has given his thoughts publicly as far as I can see. If there is evidence that something has been said by Sir Matthew Rycroft can you post it please?
www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/22/top-home-office-mandarin-knew-of-bravermans-alleged-speeding-request

On here

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/22/top-home-office-mandarin-knew-of-bravermans-alleged-speeding-request