Boris Johnson referred to the police for suspected further breaches of lockdown regulations.

Rishi Sunak, like all the civil servants in No 10, may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time BUT he was a cabinet minster who made the rules, which were broken.
Unfortunately not everyone was fined certainly not RS. As normal there are rules for some and not others. Rishi Sunak, like Boris Johnston is not above the law even if he did only drink tea. They both were at the party or works gathering whatever you want to call it, whilst my family and many others could not attend relatives in hospital, care homes or funerals. We had to abide by the law or get fined or worse,

Sorry for the rant.

I am sorry that this has already been mentioned but it makes me so cross that we now have yet another Conservative PM who broke the rules and is getting away with it.

Roll on a general election

Siope
I care. I care because this kind of casual and repeated lying and law-breaking damages trust in the government; because it has set the tone for current Tory politicians, including Sunak, who lies like a rug; and because I thoroughly despise anyone who thinks they are so important they are above the rules, whilst the rest of us are not.

I believe these gatherings and parties were happening - Johnson’s sister has already said she was there.

I hope the Privileges Committee do recommend a ten day minimum ban; I hope Sunak remembers his pledges about integrity and imposes it; I hope there is a by-election that Johnson loses; and I devoutly hope he never holds even minor political office again.

I agree with the above too, I think this gov't have treated the electorate like rubbish just to get their own way in having poor public services so the rich can have low taxes. They denied that they wanted to cut the NHS in their election manifesto yet that's exactly what they've done. Their basically isn't an NHS dental service anymore, I've had to pay as no dentist is taking NHS patients and the ones that did have NHS patients, ie me, have said they no longer offer NHS services and you have to pay to have a private service.

They are doing similar to the GP services, making the NHS very difficult to access then allowing services to fall behind so far that people believe they will get a better service by going private, which is great if you can afford it.

Boris is just the most brazen rule breaker of the whole lot and its karma on the lot of them that they look like they'll lose the next election and assuming the voting system will be reformed long term they'll never be able to get a majority again. They never have had a majority but the current voting system has allowed them to win. No longer I hope.

The NHS has saved many of us, now it needs saving itself by voting Labour, they started the NHS, they will rescue it whatever you think of Starmer and all

Maisie D Do you know that Peston is in a relationship with a lady who was Johnson partner at one time . Peston hates Johnson and so I don’t believe a word he says . Also he is friends with. Starmer. I don’t have allegiance to anyone BUT I don’t like biased reporting

ruthiek

Maisie D Do you know that Peston is in a relationship with a lady who was Johnson partner at one time . Peston hates Johnson and so I don’t believe a word he says . Also he is friends with. Starmer. I don’t have allegiance to anyone BUT I don’t like biased reporting

Eh? Do you mean Charlotte Edwardes?

ruthiek

Maisie D Do you know that Peston is in a relationship with a lady who was Johnson partner at one time . Peston hates Johnson and so I don’t believe a word he says . Also he is friends with. Starmer. I don’t have allegiance to anyone BUT I don’t like biased reporting

Do you mean Charlotte Edwardes? She alleged that Boris Johnson groped her at an event, she wasn’t in a relationship with him.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/29/no-10-denies-claims-boris-johnson-squeezed-thigh-journalist-charlotte-edwardes
Biased reporting on your part there I fear ruthiek.

I think you'll find that Charlotte Edwardes accused Johnson of squeezing her thigh about 20 years ago.

So have all the other people who have reported this story been in relationships with Johnson's ex -partners. I know he's had quite a lot of ex-partners, but come on!

We should all CARE that a consummate liar and a dangerous clown was elected to occupy the highest office. Those who voted for him just must have been deranged. The lies he spun were in plain sight.

ruthiek

Maisie D Do you know that Peston is in a relationship with a lady who was Johnson partner at one time . Peston hates Johnson and so I don’t believe a word he says . Also he is friends with. Starmer. I don’t have allegiance to anyone BUT I don’t like biased reporting

I'm not altogether sure why you have singled out Peston when all news sources were reporting this. Peston just happened to be the one I cited; it could easily have been another.

As to his 'relationship', what relevance is that to his factual reporting? Especially as it turns out you are incorrect...

Does no-one remember that ages after the lockdown ended, the medical doomsayers who recommended those draconian rules said that in retrospect they had been way too severe and left us with a wrecked economy? Therefore ALL rulebreakers, both the famous and the anonymous, were only exercising their commensense.

No. One doesn't remember.

Nor is your post anything but a pathetic attempt to excuse rule breaking and contempt for the public at what was supposed to be the highest level of government.

Meanwhile we are still waiting the outcome of the Acoba findings on how long Sue Grey needs to wait before taking up the position of Chief of Staff for the Labour Party. The highest level of government is fast becoming a joke.

Ruthie2, please elaborate. Are you saying that all rulebreakers only used their common sense during lockdown but they were quite happy to let the rest of us suffer its consequences?

Greta what consequences?

ronib

Meanwhile we are still waiting the outcome of the Acoba findings on how long Sue Grey needs to wait before taking up the position of Chief of Staff for the Labour Party. The highest level of government is fast becoming a joke.

That's a nice non sequitur, ronib.

Do you just pick out random words in a sentence to wander from the topic with?

Ronib, the consequences of lockdown. Sorry if I did not make that clear.

MaizieD I was running with your comment on ‘the highest level of government’. It reminded me that Sue Gray was very much involved with the writing of the Partygate report at the highest level of government.
Something about highest level and government doesn’t sit well for me….

Oreo

They may have cared if it had come out at the time but not now.

Believe me lots of people STILL care.

ronib

MaizieD I was running with your comment on ‘the highest level of government’. It reminded me that Sue Gray was very much involved with the writing of the Partygate report at the highest level of government.
Something about highest level and government doesn’t sit well for me….

I know exactly what you were doing. It's like you treat these threads as a stream of consciousness exercises.

The thread topic is Johnson and his alleged failure to comply with the rules that he approved. The ones that various people have claimed that he actually helped to write. The ones that he claimed no-one had fully explained to him when he was confronted with irrefutable evidence that he had not only broken them himself, but also allowed the people who worked for the government to break. The rules that it now appears he never took a blind bit of notice of...

Why don't you start your own thread if you have something unrelated that you have an urge to comment on?

MaizieD And who wrote the report on Partygate?
How do we know anything about the behaviour of Boris Johnson? Did he tell us ? No I think not.
Best look at the total picture….

ruthie2

Does no-one remember that ages after the lockdown ended, the medical doomsayers who recommended those draconian rules said that in retrospect they had been way too severe and left us with a wrecked economy? Therefore ALL rulebreakers, both the famous and the anonymous, were only exercising their commensense.

Are you actually saying that the benefit of hindsight justifies those in positions of high office - those in whom to some extent we are supposed to have a certain level of trust and respect - breaking and / or ignoring the rules that they imposed on everyone else in the country?

Should we perhaps just do away with the idea that those who serve in government adhere to a code of conduct which involves having a modicum of integrity and honesty - if it's that unimportant to you and those who agree with you?

If bare-faced lying, rule-breaking, is acceptable in public office, then we can all lie, cheat, break the rules and find reasons to justify it. In fact, we could completely do away with any 'code of conduct' and just let any old mafiosa run the country... who needs principles eh? Pah! Let's just get on with the job of protecting land, property and wealth at the expense of the poor sops whose public services will be decimated to maintain the status quo - as long as we've got a police force and an army to squash any serious rebellion by the disenfranchised proles, it should all work out quite well.

It's not the parties, or who drank tea or alcohol, had a piece of cake or didn't, it's not even about whether or not the rules were necessary (which only the benefit of hindsight would indicate anyway) - it's the brazen lying, taking the public for fools, showing their utter contempt for those that voted them into office, the belief that the rules they made didn't, of course, apply to them.

It may not bother you or the other "no-one-cares" apologists, but it does concern some of us who have this quaint out-dated (obviously) notion that Prime Ministers, MPs and those in power attempt to stick to a code of honour and probity, and at least have a nodding acquaintance with what are known as 'morals',

ronib

MaizieD And who wrote the report on Partygate?
How do we know anything about the behaviour of Boris Johnson? Did he tell us ? No I think not.
Best look at the total picture….

Yes I think looking at the pictures it was indeed clear that he was breaking the rules.

HiPpyChick57

Oreo

They may have cared if it had come out at the time but not now.

Believe me lots of people STILL care.

And lots of people don’t.

I think Dickens that believing politicians in government have high moral standards is quaint and outdated. They have proved time and time again over many years that they don’t have, as you say honour or probity.Why anyone believes that they do is beyond me.
The rules in lockdown were far too severe and almost everyone I know broke them regarding older family members and their needs, in other words used common sense.
Some people took the piss and had parties all the time but that’s another thing.

ronib

MaizieD I was running with your comment on ‘the highest level of government’. It reminded me that Sue Gray was very much involved with the writing of the Partygate report at the highest level of government.
Something about highest level and government doesn’t sit well for me….

And that’s another unfounded slur on a woman whose probity the Tories were lauding to high heaven until she announced her move to work for Starmer.

Siope we are not allowed by MaizieD to address sources of information and ways we form our opinions. It belongs to a new thread.