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maddyone Wed 24-May-23 11:16:35

Ed Davey says they can. Keir Starmer isn’t sure. Can women have a penis?

DiamondLily Mon 29-May-23 17:12:58

An American newspaper are also reporting this:

nypost.com/2023/05/29/activists-hold-disturbing-arm-trans-kids-banner-in-uk/

They don't think it's fake, obviously.

Doodledog Mon 29-May-23 17:17:06

Although of course intersectional feminists here do care about the awfulness in Texas
Talk about goading 😂😂

Mollygo Mon 29-May-23 17:20:37

Of course some posters will think it’s fake.
But in their desperation to find something wrong with a photograph, they’re still missing the opportunity to address the concerns about pushing children into transition too early and the chance to say how awful the idea that people with or without banners are saying things like this-an extension of the hatred promoted by TRA and their fans.
And yes, I did use the d word.

Mollygo Mon 29-May-23 17:23:18

Doodledog

*Although of course intersectional feminists here do care about the awfulness in Texas*
Talk about goading 😂😂

No that’s not goading, that’s narcissistic.

DiamondLily Mon 29-May-23 17:40:50

Well, I'm not an intersectional anything (I don't do buzz words..🙄), but I care about a lot of things going on in America.

My son, DIL and grandson live there..,😗

Especially gun and knife crime - whoever is holding the weapon.

grannydarkhair Mon 29-May-23 17:49:20

This clip removes any doubts that the “ARM TRANS KIDS” banner might have been photoshopped.

twitter.com/frankie2001mia/status/1662805632540352520?s=61&t=qph6ruaz5B5GPjDn7jnZBw

Mollygo Mon 29-May-23 17:51:48

Thank you grannydarkhair.

Rosie51 Mon 29-May-23 17:54:19

And the delightful person holding the "Trans joy will outlive you all" does a nice middle finger gesture to the female person politely asking the question. Must be an intersectional feminist.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 29-May-23 17:55:47

It is also being reported that they were repeatedly chanting

we love female dick

They really are not interested in endearing themselves to the wider population are they…

DiamondLily Mon 29-May-23 17:57:03

Rosie51

And the delightful person holding the "Trans joy will outlive you all" does a nice middle finger gesture to the female person politely asking the question. Must be an intersectional feminist.

He could just have finger cramp 🤐. He can't be part of the "be kind" movement surely...🤔

Mollygo Mon 29-May-23 18:00:58

Rosie51

And the delightful person holding the "Trans joy will outlive you all" does a nice middle finger gesture to the female person politely asking the question. Must be an intersectional feminist.

I was right about them hiding behind the posters. Nothing like a bit of anonymity to promote hatred and encouragement to kill anyone who disagrees with you.

Dickens Mon 29-May-23 18:19:16

Doodledog

*Although of course intersectional feminists here do care about the awfulness in Texas*
Talk about goading 😂😂

It really is, isn't it!

VioletSky Mon 29-May-23 18:23:12

glorianny the other odd things about it is the toddler toy car with the gun sticking out...

I think this might be an ironic thing

I still think it is just trans people here in solidarity with Texan parents where it originated

I don't think anyone wants to give toddlers guns anywhere

DiamondLily Mon 29-May-23 18:38:25

VioletSky

glorianny the other odd things about it is the toddler toy car with the gun sticking out...

I think this might be an ironic thing

I still think it is just trans people here in solidarity with Texan parents where it originated

I don't think anyone wants to give toddlers guns anywhere

Why would you hold a trans protest, in London's Hyde Park, in solidarity with Texas?

If that's what it was (yeah, ok...🙄), it missed the point because no one has picked up on that.

Petjaps they should have made that clear?

All that has been seen is a group of hate filled people apparently advocating children use violence to get their own way.

Not a good look for any protest. They have shot themselves in the foot.

Glorianny Mon 29-May-23 18:45:25

DiamondLily

Glorianny

OMG do I really need to condemn it.
I would of thought it was painfully obvious.
No matter
The shadows are very odd as well. Very foreshortened because the sun was high but a clear piece of sunlight between purple skirt and the others.
Sorry if you don't like this but there is an awful lot of photoshopping goes on these days..

So, despite the fact it was on film, on certain London news, it might be fake?

Ok, if you think that. 🙂

Post the link to the news item please. I've watched the Mail version, there is no sign of it.

Rosie51 Mon 29-May-23 18:57:16

Glorianny
OMG do I really need to condemn it.
I would of thought it was painfully obvious.
I would have thought that you'd condemn the poster then bring in your concerns about hand placements, possible photoshop etc.
If you click on the link grannydarkhair provided it's very obviously not fake.

Mollygo Mon 29-May-23 18:57:39

VioletSky

glorianny the other odd things about it is the toddler toy car with the gun sticking out...

I think this might be an ironic thing

I still think it is just trans people here in solidarity with Texan parents where it originated

I don't think anyone wants to give toddlers guns anywhere

Of course not Glorianny.
They put guns in toddler cars because they thought it was good to back Texan parents who think giving children guns and promoting hatred is a good idea.
Horrifying to see that some excuse that on the grounds that someone else did it first, so don’t blame us.

In the same way as some think it is a good idea to issue death threats to someone who promotes safe spaces for AHF.

Does anyone think that this is doing the trans cause any good?

Does anyone believe that all peaceful trans are happy to have their lives portrayed in this way and happy about these actions initiated and supported by females that TIM purport to want to be?
These people and their supporters are not interested in making life better for TW.

Madgran77 Mon 29-May-23 18:57:57

Violet Hopefully everyone won't be upset at the odd laugh now

Violet ....So please tell me why I would waste my time defending any comment when I know it will likely not be accepted anyway by the person rudely demanding I give one...

Violet my comment re humour was purely and quite genuinely trying to explain why a solitary *LOL without context might be read differently by posters, than an obviously humourous comment regarding quacking penises. It was in response to your quoted comment above re the odd laugh. It appears I have not been able to explain it, I wont keep trying, it just derails things.

I have not at any point suggested you should defend or otherwise regarding any comments. That is for you to decide. I was just trying to explain why misunderstandings might have occurred regarding your LOL.

Dickens Mon 29-May-23 18:58:30

This doesn't only damage the wider trans community - who we know already face discrimination and worse. Unfortunately, the right-wing tabloids who have a field day with this kind of thing, will convince its readers that it's all to do with the 'woke' Left - or some will manage to convince themselves - and when Starmer, or anyone else for that matter, is asked leading questions... the Right will make sure that we all "understand" that this is what Labour actually support - which I'm bloody sure they don't.

I'm not really into conspiracy theories, but the current government are, with the aid of certain media, fighting for their political lives ahead of the forthcoming election, and I'm sure some political capital will be made out of incidents like this. In fact I know it will. If you trawl a few SM sites you'll see plenty of comments from Joe Public who are absolutely positive that voting Labour will land us with a government that will force us to accept such movements as legitimate... along with, of course, all the 'illegals' who keep "invading" our shores. These activists will come under the banner of the now popular "wokey Left" who are taking over - with the aid of the WEF who want to abolish the family, property, possessions and turn us all into compliant work horse slaves. Sounds ridiculous, but go on MSN and see some - too many - of the comments along these lines.

There's also the danger that 'violence will begat violence'... one lot of idiots responding to another lot of idiots - because advocating violence is idiotic.

And that's not to mention the exploitation of young people and children. To encourage any young person to believe that random acts of violence is cool, or the answer to their problems - is a crime in itself. 'Teaching" them to reach for a gun, knife or anything else as a reaction to their pain, is teaching them to be visceral, like pack animals. These activists are subverting them, and abusing them simply for their own ends. The hell they care about the kids.

One thing stands out - to me anyway. I know women can be violent, but it's not one of our defining characteristics. Violence is a male trait.

Iam64 Mon 29-May-23 18:59:14

I don’t think anyone wants to give toddlers guns anywhere

nthe Dearborn boys (aged 3) are at least the 42nd and 43rd people to get shot by a child under age 4 this year. Washington post September 2017

VioletSky Mon 29-May-23 19:02:40

Madgran

I think there are a lot of other comments that are far worse than a lol and a silly play on words you can focus on

I'm ok, I've learned my lesson

Doodledog Mon 29-May-23 19:20:43

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Mollygo Mon 29-May-23 19:50:39

Ironic-from the Greek ειρωνικός dissembling, feigning ignorance,
Not funny really.

Glorianny Mon 29-May-23 20:15:24

grannydarkhair

This clip removes any doubts that the “ARM TRANS KIDS” banner might have been photoshopped.

twitter.com/frankie2001mia/status/1662805632540352520?s=61&t=qph6ruaz5B5GPjDn7jnZBw

Thanks grannydarkhair quite willing to admit I was wrong and the poster must have been there.

It's obvious that there are extremists on each side. However many of the people protesting about Posie Parker or Kelly Jay Keen were not extremists or trans people, but people who are worried about a woman who has such terrible views being supported in this country.
These are the sort of people she shares a platform with
www.thepinknews.com/2023/02/12/posie-parker-let-women-speak-glasgow-rally-fascists/

Doodledog Mon 29-May-23 20:24:57

Come on, Glorianny

You know full well that that is whataboutery grin

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