When did UK governments lose their way?

Casdon the solution must be to develop a new department of immigration with civil servants who will carry out the wishes of the government? Or not?

Does throw a spanner in the works of how we perceive democracy to work though doesn’t it regardless of how we approach migration?

ronib

The civil servants at the Home Office are threatening to come out on strike against the government’s immigration policies. Breaking news.
Even though the high court has ruled that government’s Rwandan plan is not illegal. Interesting to see this development.

This isn’t breaking news ronib, it’s been going on for some time. Here’s a good article explaining what the civil servants are objecting to. It’s good to see civil servants have a moral backbone, I’m right behind them on this.
www.personneltoday.com/hr/home-office-civil-servants-angry-at-rwanda-asylum-seekers-plan/

The civil servants at the Home Office are threatening to come out on strike against the government’s immigration policies. Breaking news.
Even though the high court has ruled that government’s Rwandan plan is not illegal. Interesting to see this development.

Casdon

Grany

The problem of our governments is that we have an unwritten codified constitution, a head of state that cannot defend our constitution, as monarchy has given all power to the PM

I don’t think that is the problem. If it was, politicians would always have been of the calibre they are now, which wasn’t the case.

Grany is wrong, anyway. Monarchical power was transferred to Parliament over the centuries since 1688. The PM is the monarch's representative in Parliament but is supposedly subject to Parliament. Parliament is Sovereign.

Of course, it doesn't quite work like that because of the party system, whipping, and the undermining of Parliament by the current government, primarily by exploiting historic 'conventions'. And loss of respect for other 'conventions'...

Growstuff Multiverse- Euan Blair’s company- state that more than one third of its apprentices met one or more indicators of social disadvantage.
In degree apprenticeships at university in the age group 19 to 24 only 12 percent are from the most deprived areas.
Well let’s hope that it works out well.

ronib

Growstuff it would help to know where the base line is for your less advantaged before checking out the stats. But am sure you are more than able to find out for yourself, if you really want to.

You used the term. The ball is in your court.

MayBee I think Braverman's mother is a Hindu and her father is Chtistian. She's married to a Jew. I can't stand her, but I doubt if religion has anything to do with it.

Apparently, Braverman is a member of the Triratna Buddhist Community.

Grany

The problem of our governments is that we have an unwritten codified constitution, a head of state that cannot defend our constitution, as monarchy has given all power to the PM

I don’t think that is the problem. If it was, politicians would always have been of the calibre they are now, which wasn’t the case.

The problem of our governments is that we have an unwritten codified constitution, a head of state that cannot defend our constitution, as monarchy has given all power to the PM

HousePlantQueen

Allsorts

Braver man is in this instance speaking sense, it’s what most if us think. We don’t want economic migrants who come through safe countries to get here after leaving a safe country in the
first place like the Albanians,

I don't think this. You do realise that Braverman, Patel, Zahawi are all from families who came here as economic migrants? Why deny this right to a safe, successful life to others?

This is something that DH and I talk about constantly to the point that we always say ‘ I know I’ve said this before, but…’. I just don’t understand it and don’t understand why no one seems to question them about it. It’s classic ‘ pulling up the drawbridge’ scenario. Zahawi actually made a point of mentioning his humble beginnings but still people didn’t seem to question the fact that he was depriving others of doing the same. I’m not sure if I should say this but Braverman probably comes from a high caste family and looks down on others. And isn’t she a Buddhist? I thought Buddhists cared about their fellow man and the planet? The whole thing confuses me

Growstuff it would help to know where the base line is for your less advantaged before checking out the stats. But am sure you are more than able to find out for yourself, if you really want to.

Allsorts

Braver man is in this instance speaking sense, it’s what most if us think. We don’t want economic migrants who come through safe countries to get here after leaving a safe country in the
first place like the Albanians,

I don't think this. You do realise that Braverman, Patel, Zahawi are all from families who came here as economic migrants? Why deny this right to a safe, successful life to others?

Firstly, you make an assertion which you can't back up. When you're challenged, you deflect. I should know better than to take any notice.

ronib

Growstuff first who do you think of as less advantaged?
In general terms graduates have the potential for earning more than the average wage. Not everyone can or even wants to go to Oxbridge where the very high earning potential can be found. For the lesser mortal , without family connections and support, a qualification is one route to a better career.
Or perhaps you know differently? Am interested to hear your opinion.

You haven't answered my question, but deflected (as ever).

MayBee70, I don’t know why they sold off council houses. Not everyone could afford to buy anyway.
I do know that when my father died, although my unmarried sister and brother were still living at home, Mum was told that if anything happened to her, neither of them would be able to continue living there and would not be able to take on the tenancy, even if they married and had children whilst still living there, looking after Mum.
Someone on here is sure to have more information.

Growstuff first who do you think of as less advantaged?
In general terms graduates have the potential for earning more than the average wage. Not everyone can or even wants to go to Oxbridge where the very high earning potential can be found. For the lesser mortal , without family connections and support, a qualification is one route to a better career.
Or perhaps you know differently? Am interested to hear your opinion.

They should never have let people buy their council houses. We now have generations of people that can’t afford to buy and have to pay extortionate rents to unscrupulous landlords. Then they sold off school playing fields. I mean, why would poor kids need to learn how to play games. I assumed that my dad who had Alzheimer’s would be able to go into a council run home when my mum died only to find that I had to put him in a private home that none of us could afford.

Katie59

When did UK governments lose their way?

When Thatcher was elected and saw the salvation of the UK on the “service economy” .

It’s been a great success hasnt it, all its given us is high wages for the few rich and poverty wages for those providing the services.

But that would be a success in Conservative terms. It made enough people better off to ensure those people voted for the "team" which made them better off.

Dinahmo

People have invested in his company - why - I don't know. A bit like Elon Musk who makes losses but still people invest.

I know why they've invested. It's because it's a very sound idea, which many people have been calling for.

ronib

MaizieD and Euan Blair’s model is aimed at providing apprenticeships with a degree qualification attached to them. So it’s vaguely ironic that Euan Blair stands to make millions on the backs of the less advantaged but it would be great if it worked to be fair.

Why do you think that apprenticeships with a degree benefit the less advantaged?

There's absolutely no evidence for that.

Allsorts

Braver man is in this instance speaking sense, it’s what most if us think. We don’t want economic migrants who come through safe countries to get here after leaving a safe country in the
first place like the Albanians,

Who's "we"?

Freya5

Lost it with Tony Blair, and his meddling wife. Iraq war, kowtowing to the megalomaniac Bush, who couldn't leave his father's interference in Iraq alone. Blair and Cambell have a lot to answer for.

Alastair Campbell has done three The Rest is Politics podcasts in which he explains the reasoning behind this country supporting Bush. Rory Stewart doesn’t hold back on his questioning or criticism. It’s worth listening to. It wasn’t a decision taken lightly.

MaizieD read the Open Democracy link which made me think about income inequality on a global scale. The Uk ranks 15th on the list as most unequal, France is 16th, South Africa tops the scale and Ukraine has the highest income equality.
Not too sure what it adds to the mix?

Lost it with Tony Blair, and his meddling wife. Iraq war, kowtowing to the megalomaniac Bush, who couldn't leave his father's interference in Iraq alone. Blair and Cambell have a lot to answer for.

Braver man is in this instance speaking sense, it’s what most if us think. We don’t want economic migrants who come through safe countries to get here after leaving a safe country in the
first place like the Albanians,