Is there still a Conservative Party?

Grany

Annie

@Naomi4LabNEC

So the letter from
@Keir_Starmer
saying
@rogerwaters
should be banned is genuine. A Labour Party leader actually said this. I had assumed/hoped it was a fake. Shame, shame, shame.

Roger Waters video speaks up for himself. He is a campaigner against the apartheid state of Israel. The names were all people that have been persecuted suffered fascism which includes Ann Frank.

You are on dangerous ground here Grany, Roger Waters has alienated Jews all over the world with his actions. There are literally hundreds of reports online. Starmer is saying nothing different to any other politician.

www.timesofisrael.com/in-germany-roger-waters-dons-ss-garb-projects-anne-franks-name-to-bash-israel/

Apart from the fact that this has absolutely nothing to do with the Conservative Party, which to remind you yet again is what this thread is about, if you really want to discuss it start another thread for goodness sake.

Yanis Varoufakis
@yanisvaroufakis

Ever so proud of Roger Waters. The ease with which, 40 yrs after its inception as a musical masterpiece at the forefront of Anti-Nazism/Fascism, THE WALL has been portrayed as, somehow, antisemitic or profascist is an affront to everyone who abhors antisemitism-fascism-nazism

Roger Waters is not anti semitic
People have seen the concert and found nothing wrong with the theatre

Apart from the fact that this has absolutely nothing to do with the Conservative Party, which to remind you yet again is what this thread is about, if you really want to discuss it start another thread for goodness sake.

Is it worth reporting this constant deflection of threads to the evils of Starmer and the current Labour Party (or the monarchy, come to that)?

I don't mean this to be unkind, but perhaps if her deflecting posts were deleted every time Grany would then start her own threads rather than hijacking others.

Trying not to sound like 'thread police', but it does get tedious.

MaiszieD you were talking about Starmer and Reeves view on the economy is that the conservative view similar. Talk is of other parties too. The OP which I agree with mentioned Labour is like Conservative. So this post has meandered I say Starmer is Conservative brought the party to the right not many can disagree with that. If you all want to talk Conservative why don't you. I don't like to argue with posters just discuss the topic, but as I find Starmer acting like Conservative I may say so.

Casdon

Grany

Annie

@Naomi4LabNEC

So the letter from
@Keir_Starmer
saying
@rogerwaters
should be banned is genuine. A Labour Party leader actually said this. I had assumed/hoped it was a fake. Shame, shame, shame.

Roger Waters video speaks up for himself. He is a campaigner against the apartheid state of Israel. The names were all people that have been persecuted suffered fascism which includes Ann Frank.

You are on dangerous ground here Grany, Roger Waters has alienated Jews all over the world with his actions. There are literally hundreds of reports online. Starmer is saying nothing different to any other politician.

www.timesofisrael.com/in-germany-roger-waters-dons-ss-garb-projects-anne-franks-name-to-bash-israel/

Apart from the fact that this has absolutely nothing to do with the Conservative Party, which to remind you yet again is what this thread is about, if you really want to discuss it start another thread for goodness sake.

Oh really can't believe that article. Linking the pink pig balloon to anti-semitism! The pink pig has been flying since 1977, when one escaped from Battersea Power Station!
www.timeout.com/london/news/pink-floyd-might-recreate-their-flying-pig-over-battersea-power-station-092622#:~:text=During%20the%201976%20photoshoot%2C%20the,becoming%20something%20of%20a%20legend.

Would you like me to start a thread for you grany?

I was wondering if as a result of not supporting Jamie Driscoll, an incredibly popular local mayor, the Labour party fail to win the NE mayor election who will be blamed? It seems quite a possibility to me as Labour voters are split into those who will support the party not the person, those who will not vote, and those who will go with a Green or Lib Dem candidate. If that divided vote means a Tory wins whose fault is that?

Whitewavemark2

Would you like me to start a thread for you grany?

It's my thread and I don't mind threads wandering. If you want to start one feel free.

Glorianny

Whitewavemark2

Would you like me to start a thread for you grany?

It's my thread and I don't mind threads wandering. If you want to start one feel free.

Oh yes! Excellent idea.

This thread can become grany’s thread to voice her criticism of the Labour Party and those interested can discuss the Tory Party as is and whether it reflects conservative values.

Thank you

Is there still a Conservative Party?, yes, and that’s not going to change anytime soon. It might be fairly extreme as under Thatcher, less so under Cameron then back to extreme under Johnson et al.
They are always going to be right of centre and supportive of business, the characters will change the party will not.

Whitewavemark2

Glorianny

Whitewavemark2

Would you like me to start a thread for you grany?

It's my thread and I don't mind threads wandering. If you want to start one feel free.

Oh yes! Excellent idea.

This thread can become grany’s thread to voice her criticism of the Labour Party and those interested can discuss the Tory Party as is and whether it reflects conservative values.

Thank you

Seems better than constantly getting at someone because they won't do what you say.

This thread ‘Is There Still A Conservative Party’ ?

Thank you Glorianny

Thank Crunchie its Friday.

Can Jamie Driscoll stand as an independent?

Ilovecheese

Can Jamie Driscoll stand as an independent?

He probably could and would have a following. It would though split the Labour vote which would once again mean the Tories would probably get in. I think whatever your views on how hard left he is (he isn't) he has been a remarkably active local politician. Dumping him seems a really stupid move. But I wondered who people will blame if Labour do lose the mayor race?

Anniebach

This thread ‘Is There Still A Conservative Party’ ?

But also about how we don't really need one because Labour is doing their job for them.

You’ve morphed the thread since you wrote it Glorianny, your original post said “Is there still a Conservative Party? Chris Patten on QT said there isn't one any more. Is he correct? He said "I was the chairman of the conservative party when there was one"
It’s unambiguously about the Conservative Party. If not, you’ve got an issue with where you place your capital letters, which seems doubtful.

Anyway, this is going nowhere, so those interested in actually discussing Conservative values have moved to another thread.

I suppose it would be a really difficult decision for him (Jamie Driscoll) to make, in case he had to shoulder the blame for a Labour loss.

This has made me fear slightly for our own Andy Burnham who has been such a good mayor in Greater Manchester. he has been critical of Starmer more than once now, I hope he has not put himself in a similar danger as Jamie Driscoll.

Ilovecheese

I suppose it would be a really difficult decision for him (Jamie Driscoll) to make, in case he had to shoulder the blame for a Labour loss.

This has made me fear slightly for our own Andy Burnham who has been such a good mayor in Greater Manchester. he has been critical of Starmer more than once now, I hope he has not put himself in a similar danger as Jamie Driscoll.

Andy Burnham and other Northern mayors have spoken out in support of Jamie, so maybe he'd better take care or he'll go as well! "Another one bites the dust!!"

Casdon

You’ve morphed the thread since you wrote it Glorianny, your original post said “Is there still a Conservative Party? Chris Patten on QT said there isn't one any more. Is he correct? He said "I was the chairman of the conservative party when there was one"
It’s unambiguously about the Conservative Party. If not, you’ve got an issue with where you place your capital letters, which seems doubtful.

Anyway, this is going nowhere, so those interested in actually discussing Conservative values have moved to another thread.

But if you have a party that is embracing conservative ideas then you might not actually need a Conservative party. Which is totally linked to the thread.
I appreciate that in the Jamie Driscoll case it's difficult to comment and blame everything on the hard left.

No can't blame Labour Left for Jamie Driscoll case. Labour are now Conservative. Reeves has backtracked on Green Deal Why. Was it the right wing press, so near an election there should be polices people can vote for transformative polices

I’m not worried about Andy Burnham. His criticisms of Starmer aren’t couched in nonsense about Zionism, burnham wants a Labour government. He won’t work to undermine that

Iam64

I’m not worried about Andy Burnham. His criticisms of Starmer aren’t couched in nonsense about Zionism, burnham wants a Labour government. He won’t work to undermine that

Could you explain to me please how Jamie Driscoll has spoken any nonsense about Zionism, or tried to work against a Labour government?
His main crime seems to be that he shared a platform with Ken Loach. As the award winning film maker films in the NE and has made award winning films set in the NE it's pretty weird.
The people of the North East do not want a Mayor chosen by London central office. They want the person they know works for them.. If he stands as an independent he will probably win.

So far as I’m aware, the concern is him sharing a platform with Ken Loach. I’m aware of his success in making films that speak to Labour voters. He’s no longer a member of the LP because of anti semitism.
I can see the argument about local people selecting candidates but of course, I see the counter argument