Prince Harry v The Mirror in phone hacking case

If you'd read my post properly you would have seen that I said "the Harry that HLM (that means Her Late Majesty) knew and loved has disappeared." I did not say that I loved him! How could I?, I didn't know him as you astutely pointed out! His behaviour towards those who love him make me and thousands of others dislike him intensely,I don't have to know him to realise what a deeply unpleasant person he has become. As for grief, most of us who love parents and grandparents coming to the end of their lives, put their needs before our own, well we do in my family and I guess lots of others do too.

Sorry I took
unrecognisable to those who love him.
As Jabberwock's own opinion.
If not is she just speculating about not only what happened, but how those people feel about it? That's weird.

Jaberwok

If you'd read my post properly you would have seen that I said "the Harry that HLM (that means Her Late Majesty) knew and loved has disappeared." I did not say that I loved him! How could I?, I didn't know him as you astutely pointed out! His behaviour towards those who love him make me and thousands of others dislike him intensely,I don't have to know him to realise what a deeply unpleasant person he has become. As for grief, most of us who love parents and grandparents coming to the end of their lives, put their needs before our own, well we do in my family and I guess lots of others do too.

You don't know him. You don't know exactly what happened. You have been fed stories by the media.
You don't know what requests were made by anyone who was dying, how could you?
You just assume the worst.
Of course it is necessary that you are made to feel like this, the alternative being to question the RF and how it is run.

Have you read Spare * Glorianny*? I refer to the epilogue added by Harry after the book was written. He refers to going to Althorp to see Diana's grave with Meghan, (and all the fine acting bit). Also their attendance at an awards ceremony in Düsseldorf and in the UK. I think Harry said he had a quick phonecall with his Grandma about her health and said he would see her soon, (no specified visit mentioned).
So, I think * Jaberwok* is right. Why not travel to see the poor lady, rather than moaning you weren't able to get there in time 3 days later?
We do know what happened because it's in the book.

What I find interesting is the fact that he stated in court and his witness statement it wasn’t until he was 30 that he realised James Hewitt couldn’t have fathered him as the timeline didn’t match. Surely, a DNA could have been done years before then to show Charles was his father, putting his mind at rest. Is he admitting that he isn’t sure who his father is ? Is this the real issue and problem with him?

No, Forsythia, I reckon it just gives him something else to moan about. He must realise he has a close resemblance to his cousins on Diana's side of the family, with their red hair.

Yes he does to Diana’s side of the family. I don’t think there’s any doubt there. But not to Charles or William.

I agree Sparklefizz, Like you I think Harry probably always was a spoilt, entitled arrogant young man and that the Palace by and large did a good job covering up his misdemeanors, presenting him as the playboy Prince. We live near Highgrove and even nearer to a pub that Harry and his hooray Henry friends regularly visited. No one had a good word to say about him or his pals. I have it on good authority that they were asked to leave fairly regularly, even complaints put into Highgrove. His poor father!

Forsythia

What I find interesting is the fact that he stated in court and his witness statement it wasn’t until he was 30 that he realised James Hewitt couldn’t have fathered him as the timeline didn’t match. Surely, a DNA could have been done years before then to show Charles was his father, putting his mind at rest. Is he admitting that he isn’t sure who his father is ? Is this the real issue and problem with him?

Perhaps he had a sort of hope that he was the product of a loving relationship between his mother and Hewitt. Knowing you were just a replacement for your brother and conceived purely for that purpose must be emotionally damaging. Children fantasise about all sorts of things, who his father was might have been his.

He thought his saintly mother had lied to him ?

All royal children must be aware of this, if indeed they think like that. A very few are only children. A lot of children myself included know that their parents/motber had hoped for a boy/girl, and perhaps been a bit disappointed. I can't see that it can be damaging to the point of ruining your life, but perhaps any excuse is better than none for explaining away deplorable behaviour.

Harry is the image of the King, in a band across his eyes and nose.
I've never seen anything of his father in William, only his mother, but Princess Charlotte looks like Queen Mary (formerly of Teck).

I think he’s inadvertently let the cat out of the bag that he doesn’t know who his father is. Said In his own words. He even said the public were trying to oust him from the family if he was indeed James Hewitts son. Why wait until the age of 30 to investigate? He raises more questions than answers. Surely, Charles could have laid this to rest years ago…..if he was his real father. There’s clearly doubts. Harry has said so.

Harry said so ? Harry said they were in a near catastrophic car chase for two hours in New York .

Jaberwok

All royal children must be aware of this, if indeed they think like that. A very few are only children. A lot of children myself included know that their parents/motber had hoped for a boy/girl, and perhaps been a bit disappointed. I can't see that it can be damaging to the point of ruining your life, but perhaps any excuse is better than none for explaining away deplorable behaviour.

Did your father just use your mother as a baby provider? Did he then cut her out of his life completely ? Did he have problems relating to his children because his own parents had been cold and distant? It isn't one thing with Harry it is so many. With all their money they could have provided both boys with proper counselling, they didn't. Everything swept under the carpet.

Who said his father had cut his mother out of his life completely?

Glorianny 13:05 today criticising Jaberwok.
You don't know him. You don't know exactly what happened. You have been fed stories by the media.

You just assume the worst.

Glorianny 13:45 pontificating about Harry.

Knowing you were just a replacement for your brother and conceived purely for that purpose must be emotionally damaging.

Why not apply your rule to that post Glorianny?

You don't know him. You don't know exactly what happened. You have been fed stories by the media.

You just assume the worst

Must get back to prep and marking whilst I wait for the next instalment.

My father was killed before I was born, shot down in a Lancaster Bomber so understandably he didn't do any of those things. My mother very much wanted a boy baby, as an adult she told me so but luckily happily settled for me. I can understand exactly how she felt and have never felt any less loved because I wasn't quite what was required. The King has always loved Harry, God knows he must do , not many parents would tolerate the barrage of hate that Harry has thrown both at him and his family. The King is not responsible for Diana's promiscuity, several affairs,breaking up at least three marriages. There's nearly always two sides to every tale and there certainly is in this one.

it's clear that it's sunday and not a lot else on 'gn' going on. hot and tired and clearly irritable you pick 'fights'!
with each other!

give the subject a rest! and maybe someone can start a thread on a completely ordinary subject.

Jaberwok

My father was killed before I was born, shot down in a Lancaster Bomber so understandably he didn't do any of those things. My mother very much wanted a boy baby, as an adult she told me so but luckily happily settled for me. I can understand exactly how she felt and have never felt any less loved because I wasn't quite what was required. The King has always loved Harry, God knows he must do , not many parents would tolerate the barrage of hate that Harry has thrown both at him and his family. The King is not responsible for Diana's promiscuity, several affairs,breaking up at least three marriages. There's nearly always two sides to every tale and there certainly is in this one.

The King has always loved Harry. But perhaps not wanted to see his problems and perhaps put someone else he loved before his sons because he needed that support, having been so damaged in his own childhood.
Your mother loved you, she presumably loved your father. No one can claim that Diana and Charles loved each other as their children were growing up. And yes she was no angel. But she loved her sons and was Harry's main support, but she died.
Divorce always damages children. So does knowing you are not conceived in love. So does having a distant father. So does having your mother die. So does being constantly scrutinised by the press. So does seeing your mother's replacement sitting in her place.
The boy needed help and didn't get it.

But she loved her sons and was Harry's main support,

You don't know /her. You don't know exactly what happened. You have been fed stories by the media.

Second wives are replacements for the first wife ?

Oh, Anniebach!

You are on really good form today.

lemsip

it's clear that it's sunday and not a lot else on 'gn' going on. hot and tired and clearly irritable you pick 'fights'!
with each other!

give the subject a rest! and maybe someone can start a thread on a completely ordinary subject.

Dolls? Or Teddy bears?

You could start one, lemsip while everyone who wants to can carry on debating on here!

Anniebach

Second wives are replacements for the first wife ?

Not necessarily. But from Harry's perspective what else was she? She was around while his father was married, she was still around when his parents divorced and she stepped into the role when his mother died. She replaced his mother.
Now you can argue that Charles deserved to be with the woman he loved, But one of the responsibilities of parenthood is that you sometimes put your children first. As I said before if the RF had spent some of their cash on getting help for Harry when he was younger there probably wouldn't be a problem now. If you don't deal with trauma and just ignore, it it comes back when you are older.