Prince Harry v The Mirror in phone hacking case

Jaberwok

Soon? It was nearly 30 years ago! Yes Charles mentioned his sons who were children, not in a spiteful way, but a concerned fashion like most parents who are facing marital crisis. As I said this episode was poles apart from Harry's three year, and counting, relentless spiteful lies, and treachery.

Oh sorry didn't realise 30 years was a long time to remember something, especially something like a person being fit to be a king.
Not that I think there is any standard there really.
But obviously one RF leak paved the way for the others to come. That's how it works. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

Diana’s book was sometime before ?

I think most of us have moved on during that 30 years. A lot of young grown up people weren't even born then! My 20 and 23 year old granddaughters neither know or care who wrote or said what years before they were alive. Diana? Who was she?

Posting compassionately about Harry doesn’t made Gloryanny an ardent royalist. It makes her someone who has some understanding of the difficulties Harry has and is living with.

I read these threads with despair. The level of anger expressed towards Harry is dispiriting and demoralising.

But lacks understanding for the rest of the family

Not anger.

Disgust.

It’s the rest of the family though Iam.
It’s the horrible things he has said about the rest of his family. I feel sorry for them.

maddyone

It’s the rest of the family though Iam.
It’s the horrible things he has said about the rest of his family. I feel sorry for them.

Yes.
We forget they are people too, with feelings.
With children who are being didcussed and described to the world at large by an uncle they scarcely know.

When George was born in 2013, Harry said he was delighted and looking forward to teaching George all about rugby and cricket. By the time Louis was born in 2018, Harry (in his book) appears to be more hung up about his demoted position to the throne than being happy about the birth of his new nephew. Closely followed by that awful row over the bridesmaid dresses which he mentions was all started by Charlotte crying over the poor fit of the dress.
What changed him during those years?
I think it was particularly unkind of Harry to publicly discuss Charlotte's tantrum in order to deflect the blame from his wife. Any of us who have had children, or work with children, know that as a mature adult, you should try to see things like that incident from the child's perspective. It is Harry who is immature where others' feelings are concerned.

I will however add, that I have never criticised Harry's own parenting of Archie and Lili.

Joseann

I think ‘what changed him’ between the years 2013-2018 can be summed up in one word.

Meghan.

One cannot criticize Harry's parenting of his own children because so little is known about it. He and Meghan particularly keep all their personal family issues private, yet delight in revealing what they consider to be the failings of their extended family.

eazybee

One cannot criticize Harry's parenting of his own children because so little is known about it. He and Meghan particularly keep all their personal family issues private, yet delight in revealing what they consider to be the failings of their extended family.

The sad thing is that their children will undoubtedly be reminded of everything Harry or Meghan has said or written. However hard H&M try to avoid it, the book is out there, the interviews are out there, and somebody is sure to think the children ought to know, together with pointing out all the different versions of the truth.
If his aim is to keep them separate from his family, then they’ll still have the Markles as grandparents and maybe they could rebuild the strained relationships with Meghan’s half siblings.

I don’t just feel sorry for the rest of the family, I also feel sorry for the Markles, however undesirable some may think they are, and I do understand estrangement happens in families, but entire families? And an old man with severe health problems? Who in actual fact may not live much longer.
But most of all I feel sorry for the children. I’m not commenting on the day to day parenting of Harry and Meghan because I don’t know anything about it, but I do know that those children have been denied any proper contact with their extended family on both sides. And that I believe, is reprehensible! I’m surprised others don’t. Don’t we all value extended family relationships? They’re important! Short of vile abuse, I can’t think of anything that would justify that. And I speak as a person who suffered some fairly unpleasant behaviours from my own mother (I will not elaborate on here, but I assure you, it was unwarranted and painful) but I loved her and was a loyal daughter to her to the end. So no, I don’t understand this behaviour from Harry.

Maddyone,
I do know that those children have been denied any proper contact with their extended family on both sides. And that I believe, is reprehensible!

Yes👏👏

I grew up as part of an extended family, so much love and friendships with cousins

I'm no royalist, but no one knows what goes on behind closed doors. Especially palace doors.

The royals are actors playing a part in public - I shouldn't think think the majority, here or elsewhere, have ever actually met or got to know them.

We take our opinions from media - and we all know how "truthful" they are at times. 🙄

Yes I feel sorry for Thomas Markle . He seems desperate to meet not only the children, understandably, but also Harry. However, the late Queen and P.P were very ill and didn't have much longer to live,but that didn't seem to concern H & M, so its not that surprising that T.M's ailments don't concern them either. I just can't understand such cruelty towards people who love you. My mil was a very difficult lady and our relationship
with her was not easy, but as she got older and reached the end of her life we did see more of her and try to alleviate her fears.
Surely attitudes even in difficult circumstances can soften at the end of life? Obviously not if you're M & H.

Yes I feel sorry for Thomas Markle

He made a mistake, we all make mistakes sometimes and I'm sure Meghan and Harry have made mistakes in their lives too.

However, his punishment seems to be unduly severe.

Someone, not familiar to me but involved in the international film and theatre world, recently said of H & M that they had made every mistake it was possible to make in their attempt to establish their 'new career', but he criticised them most for deliberately estranging their children from their families on both sides.

So sad situation with Thomas Markle. If only they could find it in their hearts to forgive him. When he’s gone it will be too late.

I think we think our families are the perfect way to be and find it difficult to think other ways are ok. As I have said before I have no contact with my cousins and function fairly reasonably. We arent estranged we just are very different people.

I can understand being estranged from cousins, maybe not a lot in common, drift apart, live a long way away., Sad but not particularly tragic. I get on well with my three cousins but as two live in Australia and one, a busy clergyman, in Devon, We keep in touch now and again, but don't see a lot of them, which certainly doesn't blight my life. but elderly grandparents, parents siblings, surely you keep in touch and see them when you can. Thomas Markle made one mistake ,and ok it was annoying, he's apologised umpteen times and doesn't live that far from H & M. Surely they could find it in their hearts to visit a sick old man who very much wants to meet them. Perhaps he's an embarrassment, not the right sort of person for their elite life. Who knows, it's very sad.

Galaxy
Not having much to do with our families is one thing, deliberate estrangement is quite another. Meghan is said to have had a lot to do with her father until she met Harry. That behaviour is disturbing.

With regards to H&M and Thomas Markle, given Harry's familiarity with protocols and correct behaviour, I was amazed that he had never met Thomas before the wedding. Surely he would want to meet his future father-in-law, let alone the good manners of introducing yourself to your future wife's dad? It's not as if they weren't in USA numerous times when this would have been perfectly possible.