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Oxfam and JKR

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RosesandLilac Wed 07-Jun-23 09:51:41

I’m sure I am not the only person who’s read this and been shocked 😳
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/09/oxfam-training-guide-blames-privileged-white-women-root-causes

Thankfully I stopped supporting Oxfam years ago after the Haiti abuse broke. As they probably rely on my generation to volunteer in their shops perhaps this might make some people think again.

eddiecat78 Wed 07-Jun-23 16:44:40

You are missing the point. The fact is that someone high up at Oxfam saw that photo knowing it was JKR and decided it was a good idea to use it to depict an example of an evil person who should be attacked. To a degree it is irrelevant how many of the general public recognised it - but it is irrefutable evidence of Oxfam's mindset

VioletSky Wed 07-Jun-23 16:45:37

Hmm

Who do I align with

Oxfam who seems to understand minority women, including trans women should not be excluded because their experience of womanhood is different...

Or

Align with those who think gender dysphoria is a mental illness, anyone who supports transition is enabling self mutilation, parents supporting trans children are abusive and men or women are defined by their genitals...

Oxfam it is

Freya5 Wed 07-Jun-23 16:51:59

Never really supported Oxfam, was pleased not to have done when child abuse allegations were publicised. Now this, what a nasty, bigoted so called charity. Apologies are too late, should never have been published. Disgusting.

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jun-23 16:53:34

Not much point Oxfam claiming to understand minority women, when they don't seen to understand women in general and think it's acceptable to demonise anyone who says a man can't be a woman.

Trans woman are not a minority group of women because they're not women and as such can only experience life as trans women, not as women.

I would never want to be aligned with any organisation that believes that cartoon or one like it is acceptable and clearly someone did, or it wouldn't have been there.

Callistemon21 Wed 07-Jun-23 16:54:46

Glorianny

Smileless2012

Whether you knew the cartoon was JKR or not it was and remains offensive. Demonising anyone who says that trans women are not women is wrong and that is what that cartoon was doing.

Oxfam is supposed to be inclusive; it certainly doesn't appear to be does it.

It's gone. It is no more It is a dead parrot

How much did the dead parrot cost?

It's all wasted money, donated by people in good faith thinking they are helping those less advantaged than themselves.

Ilovecheese Wed 07-Jun-23 16:56:04

MerylStreep

Over 40 yrs ago I was warned to stay away from Oxfam by no less than a priest.
They purport to support the poor in Africa but send containers full of donated clothing to these countries which decimate the local clothing industry.

I have been reading about this. Not just Oxfam (I also cancelled my direct debit to them after the Haiti business but I never thought it was just Oxfam people but all NGO people) but all the leftovers from charity shops get sent to countries like Ghana, who then have to find a way of disposing of the stuff that is fit for nothing, as well as undercutting the local dressmakers. I don't know what to think now about giving to charity shops.

Galaxy Wed 07-Jun-23 16:56:34

I would never want to be aligned with a charity who failed in their safeguarding of vulnerable women and children. Nothing actually to do with this incident. I made my decision sone time ago.

Callistemon21 Wed 07-Jun-23 16:56:55

VioletSky

Hmm

Who do I align with

Oxfam who seems to understand minority women, including trans women should not be excluded because their experience of womanhood is different...

Or

Align with those who think gender dysphoria is a mental illness, anyone who supports transition is enabling self mutilation, parents supporting trans children are abusive and men or women are defined by their genitals...

Oxfam it is

Oxfam

The Oxford Committee for Famine Relief

The charity really needs to change its name as it has changed its focus.

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jun-23 16:57:22

And no doubt some of those who've made donations in good faith will find other charities to support in the wake of this Callistemonsad.

Callistemon21 Wed 07-Jun-23 17:00:49

VioletSky

Hmm

Who do I align with

Oxfam who seems to understand minority women, including trans women should not be excluded because their experience of womanhood is different...

Or

Align with those who think gender dysphoria is a mental illness, anyone who supports transition is enabling self mutilation, parents supporting trans children are abusive and men or women are defined by their genitals...

Oxfam it is

Oxfam who seems to understand minority women, including trans women should not be excluded because their experience of womanhood is different...

Do you not know how women have been used by Oxfam staff?
What some of these staff understood only too well was that women would sacrifice their bodies in order to obtain food for their starving children.

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jun-23 17:12:28

Is this another example of the rights of trans women superseding those of natal women?

Mollygo Wed 07-Jun-23 17:34:57

Glorianny

The complained about cartoon figure has been removed from the video. Here it is, as it stands now. An important statement about equality and how it still isn't safe in some countries for people who are different
Some people are different because they have no food, no homes, no medical aid and if you asked people why they contributed to Oxfam, most of them would name famine as the reason.
I asked staff at work either directly or via email, this afternoon what they thought Oxfam did. Out of the 41 staff who answered, age range 22 to 60, most of them mentioned famine, drought, and places like Somalia, some of them mentioned the scandal from a few years back and a few of them mentioned that cartoon. Two staff mentioned that OXFAM seems to have moved onto the problems for homosexuals and lesbians but even they thought OXFAM’s focus ought to be sufficient food, water and housing.
I can imagine some posters on here giving the our staff the usual labels, but if you’re giving money to a charity for the starving and homeless, or a charity for dogs or for research into heart disease, that’s what you are donating for.

Lathyrus Wed 07-Jun-23 17:40:47

Whom who do I align with?

An Organisation that was convicted of the sexual exploitation of women in Haiti and was banned from applying for International Aid Grants for three years as a consequence. That shortly after the end of the ban was again exposed as carrying out sexual bullying and exploitation against women in the Congo and in other areas of the world.

or a woman who speaks up for women who have been abused and attacked by men, who champions their right to places were they can feel safe and who is prepared to spend her own money in creating a safe place for them

Hmm…….let me think 🤔

Rosie51 Wed 07-Jun-23 17:41:10

Hmmm who do I align with, Oxfam who have been accused more than once of sex scandals involving desperate women from those they purport to help www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56670162 or women who believe women should be a protected group and have concerns about the sexualisation of children? Surprisingly not a difficult question.

VioletSky who are the people in your "or" group? Are they one group or multiple groups, do they have a name?

This latest episode is going to result in an even bigger drop in donations. They have moved so far away from the famine relief program at their inception.

Rosie51 Wed 07-Jun-23 17:42:52

Cross posted Lathyrus I agree wholeheartedly.

Lathyrus Wed 07-Jun-23 17:58:55

Yes, I find it difficult to understand how anyone could align themselves with this organisation.

A Government enquiry in 2018 describes the exploitation as “endemic”.

Lathyrus Wed 07-Jun-23 18:01:14

Whistle blowers say they have been trying to raise concerns for years and years.

How can people still support Oxfam?

Mollygo Wed 07-Jun-23 18:01:35

eddiecat78

You are missing the point. The fact is that someone high up at Oxfam saw that photo knowing it was JKR and decided it was a good idea to use it to depict an example of an evil person who should be attacked. To a degree it is irrelevant how many of the general public recognised it - but it is irrefutable evidence of Oxfam's mindset

Well put eddiecat78.

DiamondLily Wed 07-Jun-23 18:02:16

VioletSky

Hmm

Who do I align with

Oxfam who seems to understand minority women, including trans women should not be excluded because their experience of womanhood is different...

Or

Align with those who think gender dysphoria is a mental illness, anyone who supports transition is enabling self mutilation, parents supporting trans children are abusive and men or women are defined by their genitals...

Oxfam it is

Well, the good thing about donations is that everyone can make a choice.

Oxfam was about helping the starving and those caught in wars.

That's obviously changed.

I won't be donating to them anymore, others are free to make their choices.🙂

VioletSky Wed 07-Jun-23 18:07:46

I'm assuming it's not the organisation as a whole at fault and we aren't blaming everyone down to the volunteers on shops

I'm also assuming any wrongdoers have been let go

Lathyrus Wed 07-Jun-23 18:14:32

I don’t know about workers in the shops.

Workers in the field have certainly behaved in this way, with reports of this behaviour in several countries. This was what the “endemic” judgement referred to.

Workers in the organisation that have tried “whistleblowing” on what was happening report bullying, intimidation and dismissal.

Rotten to the core.

Doodledog Wed 07-Jun-23 18:20:45

I posted this on another thread, but this is the offending still from the animated advert. I assume that it was taken down because JKR can afford to go to court when she is slandered or libelled.

Even if it could be argued that it is not supposed to be a cruel caricature of JKR is is at best a sexist and agist representation of a so-called 'TERF' - a middle-old aged white woman. Not very inclusive, is it?

I lost faith with Oxfam when they banned a Wonderwomen Bingo game because it featured women and not transwomen, and because one of the inspirational women it included was JKR. It claimed that this was because the game did not align with their values, and I now feel that Oxfam no longer aligns with mine.

Callistemon21 Wed 07-Jun-23 18:23:27

Lathyrus

Whom who do I align with?

An Organisation that was convicted of the sexual exploitation of women in Haiti and was banned from applying for International Aid Grants for three years as a consequence. That shortly after the end of the ban was again exposed as carrying out sexual bullying and exploitation against women in the Congo and in other areas of the world.

or a woman who speaks up for women who have been abused and attacked by men, who champions their right to places were they can feel safe and who is prepared to spend her own money in creating a safe place for them

Hmm…….let me think 🤔

It's such a hard choice, Lathyrus
🤔

VioletSky Wed 07-Jun-23 18:24:28

They banned a game?

Is this worse than the other stuff? I'm not sure why it's a big deal

I've banned JKR from my house

DiamondLily Wed 07-Jun-23 18:24:39

Yes, quite frankly, I can't be bothered with all this.

So, there are plenty of worthy charities, and I'd sooner give to some of those.👍