Attack in France

brex

Everyone saying he may have mh problems.. that is the biggest excuse used these days for anything that happens. Makes it seem like everyone with MH is being tarred as a raving lunatic. And that's how they get away with a soft sentence. Glad the police shot and killed him..its what he deserved. Stabbing innocent children, a 22 month old baby, he was a waste of humanity...and there's not much around these days

He is still alive.

Random???.... He had the weapon with him.......he slashed at toddler's and old people....it was intentional!!

It wasn’t random because he took a knife. His ethnicity really has nothing to do with it. Evil people come in all sorts of shapes, sizes, genders, and ethnicities. He may have had problems in his marriage but that’s neither an excuse nor a reason to attack anyone else, let alone babies. He may have had mental health issues but so do millions of others the world over but they don’t go out to attack and possibly kill babies.
I wonder why, but I cannot fathom a reason. It’s just evil. Unfortunately some people just are - they’re just evil.

Dickens

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Trying to understand the motives of the mad man is not to sympathise with him, on my part.

When terrible things happen I think we look for explanations as to why - to make sense of it - the alternative is to accept that we live in a mad and evil world, and that's too terrifying to deal with.

very insightful, probably why I try to figure it out.

Also some kind of attempt to find "why/how so it could be prevented.

Also, unless you believe in some kind of original sin, evil people are not born but made.

I don’t know why anyone would even think on the lines of race and I think that says more about the writer’s perceptions and bias than anything. It was a horrendous act. We still haven’t heard anything about it here,though. Wonder why ?

There has been no overt discussion here on French tv about race or religion, but believe me political questions are definitely being asked.

I have no inclination to even mention the cowardly lowlife. Every single thought I have is for the children and their families.

I have no inclination to even mention the cowardly lowlife. Every single thought I have is for the children and their families.

This.

How the people involved in this evil act will recover I don't know. It's too hard to think of. Just babies slaughtered.
Why if he had refuge in Sweden was he in France. Don't they check anyone? No doubt we would have had him next. He should have been sent back. .All those calling for taking everyone should rethink. You have to know whom is in your country. They should stay in first safe country until a check is made. If they don't send them back.
I was in a bank yesterday, a very unkempt man ran through knocking people over, babbling in some foreign language, the staff behind their screen looked on, unable to do anything and off he ran, to where I don't know. He was obviously very mentally ill.

What does it mean to know who is in the country? I have no idea whether the man down the road is a psychopath, how could I.

Allsorts
That’s the benefit of free movement of people ( sarcastic emoji)

Allsorts if a person claims asylum in a European country in the EU, it gives them the right to live in any other EU country. Freedom of movement I believe.

Emily Jones was a seven year old child just walking along in a park in Bolton, parents a few feet behind, when she was stabbed to death by a mentally ill Albanian woman who shouldn't have been here. Emily's father slammed the authorities who let her remain, every day those parents must live with the fact that their child would still be here if proper background checks had been in place.

ronib
Allsorts if a person claims asylum in a European country in the EU, it gives them the right to live in any other EU country. Freedom of movement I believe.

Apparently the attacker had been granted asylum in Sweden but had gone into France and claimed asylum there and had been refused a few days before the attack. I don’t understand why, with free movement, anyone would need to claim asylum in another EU country if they had already been accepted in another. Are the rules different for refugees?

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maddyone

Just why? I don’t understand why. The country that gave him, I assume it was him, refuge.

I think he might have been or about to be refused citizenship and therefore not been given asylum

sorry that update doesn't appear to be correct I've just heard he had refugee status in Sweden..

Refugee status does not automatically give you citizenship.

I see that Sweden are taking a tougher line with potential asylum seekers. There will be a requirement for learning the language and adhering to a Swedish way of life. They have suffered a large increase, in particular, in sexual crimes.
I don't know why this man has left his wife and child in Sweden. We might never know why he carried out that dreadful attack yesterday. I'm thinking of all those poor families at their child's hospital beds this morning and praying that they will all make good recoveries.

Refugee status does not automatically give you citizenship.

Ahh that answers my question, thank you.

News this morning is that all the children are now in a 'stable' condition.

After hearing and being, naturally,horrified by these attacks, my next reaction was to say thank goodness he did not have access to gun(s), as they would all, plus more, be dead.

His country of birth, no more than his religion (he keeps stating he is a Christian), is totally irrelevant. Surely, anyone who carries out this sort of horror attack is and must be mentally sick!!

Do not think that freedom of movement has any relevance either (except to this victims), as whichever country he was in when he carried out such an attack it would be just as horrific!!

So pleased that doctors/nurses, etc have saved the lives of all those involved, and hope they can all receive appropriate counselling also.

The BBC website is saying two of the children are still in a life threatening condition. I think it was the mayor who said they were all stable. I assume the adults weren't so badly injured. The rush to get information does seem to cause confusion at times, lets hope for more positive news soon.

Franbern you're absolutely right, it could have been so much worse if he'd had a gun.

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Deux enfants toujours en « urgence vitale », selon Olivier Véran

Just now from government spokesperson ...... 2 are still critical.

French time ....

Thanks Joseann so the BBC are correct. That's a shame, hope they progress to stable very soon. The poor families must be absolutely distraught.

Finally made our news this evening. Hope the little ones survive.

Of course it was a horrible event but it is necessary to separate our emotional response to it (and knee jerk reactions) from rational judgment about the man's mental state and the judicial process. We only know the police referred to him as a 'fou' - a madman - and we don't have any psychiatric evidence on which to base opinions.