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Boris Johnson has resigned with immediate effect !

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Grannynannywanny Fri 09-Jun-23 20:17:04

Boris Johnson steps down as MP with immediate effect www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65863267

I wonder if he’s eloped with Nadine.

FannyCornforth Sat 10-Jun-23 18:26:14

MaizieD yes, thanks, that was my point

Casdon Sat 10-Jun-23 18:28:12

It’s definitely new territory. Reported on Sky News that Gavin Barwell, a former Number 10 chief of staff, has said the three resignations in the last 24 hours look like a "coordinated attempt" to damage Rishi Sunak's government.
It’s a very tangled web they are weaving, whatever the aim.

NanaDana Sat 10-Jun-23 18:36:26

MaizieD

NanaDana

Another of Johnson's allies, Conservative MP for Selby and Ainsty, Nigel Adams has just announced that he is also standing down from parliament with immediate effect, thus triggering a third by-election in the coming weeks. I'm beginning to wonder if there's a move to set up a rival party, attracting those with a more right wing, self-serving agenda. There are certainly plenty of those keeping seats warm (but not achieving much else) at Westminster these days

See my post at 16.33 NanaDana

See what you mean, MaizieD. Would they attract much support Nationally? I'd like to think not, but look at the deeply entrenched support that the likes of Johnson and Trump continue to attract, in spite of everything that is known about them. Worrying.

Iam64 Sat 10-Jun-23 18:56:15

Well we are living in interesting times. I agree with all the posters who conclude Johnson is only interested in himself. It’s possible he can leave politics and make much more cash doing other stuff.
But, he’s a narcissist, he craves the limelight and clearly sees himself as the victim of remainders and Harriett Hartman. What a fool the man is and a fool with nit a shred of integrity.

The Conservative Party is in disarray. He and his accolytes seem determined to make life difficult for Sunak. I’m no Tory of course but Sunak always seemed to me the best of a group of not very goods.
It makes the concerns in the LP abiut the Corbyn gang sniping at Starmer look like a little local difficulty

MaizieD Sat 10-Jun-23 19:09:07

See what you mean, MaizieD. Would they attract much support Nationally?

They have at least one supporter on here, and probably some silent ones grin

It would be interesting to have a number of right wing parties to split the tory vote. It's the vote split between the centre/left of centre parties which have enabled the tories for the past 13 years. The boot could now be on the other foot.

Or at least it could produce a hung parliament, which could spur the LP to seriously thinking about PR.

OurKid1 Sat 10-Jun-23 19:12:31

Hetty58

MayBee70:

'How did the world end up with him and Trump at the same time'

It just demonstrates a large majority of idiot/ignorant voters. Politics should be a compulsory part of the curriculum. He was called the 'Poundland Trump' by some.

This was Heseltine's reaction on C4 news when asked if Trump and Johnson were similar. twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1667583211688321025?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet&fbclid=IwAR2I6JTsoom5HVUExxz_wdUVpCO9RuK06bSWUG-C_h2LcCBX2sPWVmYlsEg

OurKid1 Sat 10-Jun-23 19:14:46

Oldbat1

Well we cheered very loudly. He is responsible for so much. Trump and he should be left on an uninhabited island where they perhaps wont be able to do any further damage.

This was Heseltine's reaction when asked about the similarities between Trump and Johnson. twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1667583211688321025?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet&fbclid=IwAR2I6JTsoom5HVUExxz_wdUVpCO9RuK06bSWUG-C_h2LcCBX2sPWVmYlsEg

Casdon Sat 10-Jun-23 19:38:36

OurKid1

Oldbat1

Well we cheered very loudly. He is responsible for so much. Trump and he should be left on an uninhabited island where they perhaps wont be able to do any further damage.

This was Heseltine's reaction when asked about the similarities between Trump and Johnson. twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1667583211688321025?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet&fbclid=IwAR2I6JTsoom5HVUExxz_wdUVpCO9RuK06bSWUG-C_h2LcCBX2sPWVmYlsEg

Well said Michael Heseltine.

ronib Sat 10-Jun-23 20:30:18

MaizieD After a bit of thinking, if Boris Johnson attempts to form a new Conservative Party, with Jacob Rees Mogg, Nadine Dorries and others, I don’t think that it will be successful. Just a feeling.
Just now there are so many serious problems in the Uk that playing musical chairs is the wrong tactic. Some politicians somewhere need to take responsibility for fixing the problems that seem to be multiplying by the minute.

Doodledog Sat 10-Jun-23 21:05:51

It would be interesting to have a number of right wing parties to split the tory vote. It's the vote split between the centre/left of centre parties which have enabled the tories for the past 13 years. The boot could now be on the other foot.
This is why I will never ever vote Lib Dem - well, that and the fact that they sold out the students and didn't stop Austerity. The SDP were responsible for keeping Thatcher in power, and spawned the Lib Dems which have also kept the balance of power with the right. I see this as being responsible for the demise of the NHS and the erosion of the welfare state, not to mention Brexit.

MaizieD Sun 11-Jun-23 13:03:06

well, that and the fact that they sold out the students and didn't stop Austerity.

What worries me, Doodledog, is that a Labour government aren't going to stop Austerity, either.

One of their flagship policies was to invest £28billion in developing renewable energy and a Green economy. In the past week Rachel Reeves has been rowing back fast on that, saying that it might be possible a couple of years into a Labour administration but not right away because of the current state of the economy.

Which is bonkers, but it accords with the economic milieu she has worked in. That is a milieu which says that a country is like a household or a business and must not run into massive debt. As if the nation has a finite quantity of money. Even though, with complete lack of recognition of the contradictory nature of what they are saying, most economists will also assert that a national economy is not like a household or business economy because a country which issues its own currency can do just that.

I know I'm always banging on about this and it bores people rigid, but most of the money in our country is issued by the government by way of spending it on state services, or by banks, under licence from the government issuing loans; mortgages or loans to businesses. Spending on state services makes up a large part of the money put into the economy and promotes a great deal of economic activity. When the government restricts its spending economic activity diminishes; people become poorer and businesses lose revenue. The government itself loses revenue by doing this as it reduces its tax take.

I realise that the rationale that governments use for cutting state expenditure is that it encourages individuals to set up their own businesses rather than depend on working for the state, but how are these businesses supposed to succeed when there is less money available, because of government cuts, to be spent in them?

The rationale has always seemed like magical thinking to me. It's like a child who says they're going to be rich and famous when they grow up but have no idea of what practical steps they would have to take to achieve riches and fame.

As for attracting foreign investment, what business, whose objective is to make money from selling goods and services to people and other businesses, is going to invest in a country whose domestic and business consumers have little or no money to spare to buy those goods and services? Unless, of course, as when we were in the EU, they have access to a far larger market than just the domestic one? (think Nissan!)

Austerity is self defeating nonsense, as we know to our cost over the past 13 years. It has gutted public services and has made people poorer without doing much to increase our 'national wealth'. An awful lot of economists will tell you that, but they don't seem to be the ones that our government listens to. And neither, it seems, do people like Rachel Reeves.

Ironically, Reeves says that one of the economists she admires is Mariana Mazzucato, who has written book after book about the vital importance of state investment to a national economy...

This is why I believe that we've got to stop thinking about 'how are we going to pay for it?' and worrying about the country going bust (which it can't because we have a sovereign currency) and look at proposals for state investment and ask 'is it something that needs to be done, or is worth doing?' Also, 'who will get the monetary benefit from it?', because it's no good if the invested money ends up in the hands of the already wealthy, rather than contributing to increased prosperity at all levels of society.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 11-Jun-23 13:04:13

Rees-Morgue has warned Sunak, not to block Johnson’s attempt to stand in another constituency if he so wishes.

“To do so would provoke a civil war in the Tory party” said Morgue.

“Him and whose army” I say!

Sidelined Sun 11-Jun-23 13:05:11

I see there’s a hint that Boris may make a comeback in time by standing in another constituency. Can I ask a question: if he has resigned to avoid further scrutiny by Parliament is this matter now finished? Does that mean he would have a clean slate as far as Parliament is concerned if he was elected again at some later date?

MaizieD Sun 11-Jun-23 13:08:04

P.S I am hoping beyond hope that, once in power, Labour will stop all this 'difficult choices' and 'hard decisions' nonsense and just go ahead and spend.

I am hoping that their current stance is just to avert the accusations of economic irresponsibility which dog them in the run up to general elections.

MaizieD Sun 11-Jun-23 13:12:27

Sidelined

I see there’s a hint that Boris may make a comeback in time by standing in another constituency. Can I ask a question: if he has resigned to avoid further scrutiny by Parliament is this matter now finished? Does that mean he would have a clean slate as far as Parliament is concerned if he was elected again at some later date?

I think I have read somewhere that whatever sanctions the Privileges committee have recommended would still stand if he returned to parliament as an MP. MPs would still be able to vote on whether or not to impose them.

While I wouldn't put it past the British voter, it would seem rather daft to elect an MP who could be subject to sanctions and a recall petition the minute he got back into parliament...

Oreo Sun 11-Jun-23 13:15:19

Whitewavemark2

Rees-Morgue has warned Sunak, not to block Johnson’s attempt to stand in another constituency if he so wishes.

“To do so would provoke a civil war in the Tory party” said Morgue.

“Him and whose army” I say!

Rees-Morgue?
Is that supposed to be funny at all? Never been a fan of using silly names for politicians people don’t like.

MaizieD Sun 11-Jun-23 13:16:10

Whitewavemark2

Rees-Morgue has warned Sunak, not to block Johnson’s attempt to stand in another constituency if he so wishes.

“To do so would provoke a civil war in the Tory party” said Morgue.

“Him and whose army” I say!

"Bring it on" I say... grin

Let's have a general election as a result and get rid of this open sewer of a government..

Oreo Sun 11-Jun-23 13:17:33

I think Boris is waiting for the CP to be wiped out at the next election by which time he will be in place for a comeback.

Oreo Sun 11-Jun-23 13:18:31

Why would they agree to a GE now, nothing in it for them.

multicolourswapshop Sun 11-Jun-23 13:20:47

Good riddance to bad rubbish

multicolourswapshop Sun 11-Jun-23 13:23:22

The Tories got their a.. kicked in Scotland so did labour now it’s got tge Snp in full force FREEDOM

Whitewavemark2 Sun 11-Jun-23 13:24:30

MaizieD

P.S I am hoping beyond hope that, once in power, Labour will stop all this 'difficult choices' and 'hard decisions' nonsense and just go ahead and spend.

I am hoping that their current stance is just to avert the accusations of economic irresponsibility which dog them in the run up to general elections.

Me too. Time will tell I suppose. Can’t say I feel very comfortable about it all at the moment.

MaizieD Sun 11-Jun-23 13:57:04

Oreo

I think Boris is waiting for the CP to be wiped out at the next election by which time he will be in place for a comeback.

Do you think that 'the country' will want him back? Why would they when he's been so appalling?

Do you think he'd even get re-elected in a different constituency?

If the CP got wiped put, what would there be left for him to lead? A minority party with no power in parliament?

MaizieD Sun 11-Jun-23 13:57:40

'wiped OUT, not 'put'

MaizieD Sun 11-Jun-23 14:00:29

Oreo

Why would they agree to a GE now, nothing in it for them.

If the threatened 'civil war' split the CP in parliament to the extent that the factions voted against each other the government might go down to a vote of no confidence. Then there'd have to be a GE.