Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Germanshepherdsmum

Oh, we discuss politics and don’t exist in a bubble Casdon! But we don’t obsess over things we can’t change.

Sorry, I didn’t say you did, it was *Kandinsky’s post I referred to. As I said, I certainly don’t obsess over it either, but it comes up in conversation pretty often because it has such a significant impact.

ImogenMac

Brexit has been a successful guaranteed attention- seeker for FP for many, many years; surely by now it has been bled dry.

Together with an insincere concerned tone and verging on passive aggressive phrasing , it is looking increasingly foolish .

In a nutshell. You’ve cracked it, ImogenMac

Oh, we discuss politics and don’t exist in a bubble Casdon! But we don’t obsess over things we can’t change.

Fp Can you clarify something for me, please as a newcomer trying to get my head around some of these threads? You ask for a list of the positives of Brexit and yet in a previous post you state very insistently that Brexit isn’t done yet nor implemented in so many ways. Isn’t there something of a contradiction there? A list of positives for something that you say hasn’t happened?

It also begs the question that if Brexit isn’t done why you’re getting yourself in quite such a tiz about it!

There is plenty to talk about of course, and I’m sure everybody talks about lots of other stuff too. I realise that not everybody is interested in politics and news so that doesn’t form part of their everyday conversations - I don’t talk about the royals much at all, I’m just not interested, but I am interested in the things that impact on mine and other peoples lives, so I want to talk about them. I’d say that’s the norm, not existing in a bubble where such things as the impact of Brexit aren’t discussed as Kandinsky said she did.

I suppose there’s just so much more to talk about Casdon, including other things which affect our lives - and a lot of cheerful things! My life is so much better since I retired and moved to the north Norfolk coast, I’m happy and content despite being aware of world and domestic issues others wring their hands over. I have never seen the point in endless discussions about negative things you can’t change - I prefer to focus on things that I can change for the better,

It’s just part of life’s rich tapestry Germanshepherdsmum. It seems odd to me that people don’t talk about anything that directly affects their lives, particularly when the impacts are reported so often in the news, but I’m certainly not obsessed by it either.

Well, thankfully I’m mixing in the same rarefied circles as kandinsky. It may impact our lives but what’s done is done and continually discussing something you can’t change must be incredibly frustrating and depressing.

Kandinsky

The only place I ever see people talking about brexit is on here.
No one I know in RL ever mentions it.
No one I know ( leave or remain ) has noticed any change in their day to day lives. So it’s probably only a very small percentage who have been severely affected. The way some remainers talk on here you’d think the sky had fallen in. It’s very odd.
Regarding the op going on & on about it, this is probably the only place she can moan about it for hours on end, surely no one in RL would have the patience?
But it’s not a banned subject so as long as people keep talking to her about it she’ll carry on.
Best to ignore in future.

It’s on the news constantly Kandinsky, and there have been at least 20 threads on Mumsnet this year for example, you could look on any chat site and it would no doubt be the same. You must be mixing in rarefied circles if people you know aren’t talking about it, because it impacts on all our lives.
There’s a series starting on BBC next week which you may find useful.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001n1ks

You can ignore me of course- much better than insult me.

But your ACs and GCs probably won't be able to, I am afraid.

Oh what took you so long Kandinsky?

No-one in RL talks about Brexit anymore? Well, I can only say that it depends very much in your RL circles.

I have not insulted anyone who voted Leave. I have and will continue to state that Brexit has, is and will continue to- cause massive damage to the UK and its people, in so so many ways.

Still not seen a single list of positives of Brexit on GN- despite many of us asking, again and again. I wonder why this is?

The only place I ever see people talking about brexit is on here.
No one I know in RL ever mentions it.
No one I know ( leave or remain ) has noticed any change in their day to day lives. So it’s probably only a very small percentage who have been severely affected. The way some remainers talk on here you’d think the sky had fallen in. It’s very odd.
Regarding the op going on & on about it, this is probably the only place she can moan about it for hours on end, surely no one in RL would have the patience?
But it’s not a banned subject so as long as people keep talking to her about it she’ll carry on.
Best to ignore in future.

GrannyGravy13

Joseann

I don't think criticising anyone's teaching methods is particularly relevant here. I'm sure half my classes used to switch off when I recounted my lighthearted stories each day!
Anyway here's today's offering for anyone still reading......
15th June is a very important day in France because dogs are banned from beaches for the summer. I have been tiptoeing down to out sandy cove at 9 pm for the past few days so 🐕 can have a quick secret swim in the sea.
Anyway, at 3 pm this afternoon I go for a yummy ice cream at the port, and what do I see amongst all the families with their picnics, but at least a dozen dogs on the beach.
The penny suddenly dropped, that that was probably the reason why some people voted for Brexit : because other countries ( 🇫🇷 ) don't follow the flipping rules.

I think you are correct Joseann

We often remark when visiting an EU Country that they have a very flexible approach to EU laws…

I think you might find that dogs on the beach are nothing to do with EU law. The rules are local - you should complain at the Mairie.
In our experience (and we hate dogs on the beach) the rules are enforced much more strictly when the beaches are under surveillance from the start of the school holidays.

Joseann

I don't think criticising anyone's teaching methods is particularly relevant here. I'm sure half my classes used to switch off when I recounted my lighthearted stories each day!
Anyway here's today's offering for anyone still reading......
15th June is a very important day in France because dogs are banned from beaches for the summer. I have been tiptoeing down to out sandy cove at 9 pm for the past few days so 🐕 can have a quick secret swim in the sea.
Anyway, at 3 pm this afternoon I go for a yummy ice cream at the port, and what do I see amongst all the families with their picnics, but at least a dozen dogs on the beach.
The penny suddenly dropped, that that was probably the reason why some people voted for Brexit : because other countries ( 🇫🇷 ) don't follow the flipping rules.

I think you are correct Joseann

We often remark when visiting an EU Country that they have a very flexible approach to EU laws…

As a long term Remainer I have been used to abuse from Brexiteers none of whom have ever been able to give me a rationale for Brexit. The whole wretched venture was based on lies from the start. When I heard last week that Boris was resigning from the ship of state he sank I was do elated, everything I had foretold had been proven right. I expect that there are still a small number of believers in Brexit though and being open minded I would like to hear why they think Brexit was anything but a disaster.

Replies based on sound economics fully appreciated.

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I don't think criticising anyone's teaching methods is particularly relevant here. I'm sure half my classes used to switch off when I recounted my lighthearted stories each day!
Anyway here's today's offering for anyone still reading......
15th June is a very important day in France because dogs are banned from beaches for the summer. I have been tiptoeing down to out sandy cove at 9 pm for the past few days so 🐕 can have a quick secret swim in the sea.
Anyway, at 3 pm this afternoon I go for a yummy ice cream at the port, and what do I see amongst all the families with their picnics, but at least a dozen dogs on the beach.
The penny suddenly dropped, that that was probably the reason why some people voted for Brexit : because other countries ( 🇫🇷 ) don't follow the flipping rules.

ImogenMac

For me , it’s hard to believe that FP was a teacher judging by her lack of tolerance for those of a different viewpoint.
She goes further, and seems to want to humiliate posters of different opinions to her own.

It makes no sense how such a dogmatic person made a career out of teaching our young people ; to now claim to speak out of concern is disingenuous.

Obviously the dogmatic approach seems to be taking over the teaching of our young people. Think as I think , not give them a rounded approach, then let the student find their own voice and thoughts. A teacher at a friend's school has told 8 year old that potatoes are bad for you, guess what, "teacher told me potatoes are bad for you,so I don't want any". How's that for the beginning of dogma and brain washing. I truly despair of what is being taught nowadays.

Because this thread appears to be omnipresent at the moment whenever I come on to GN, the overriding thing that strikes me is the opening gambit of "has the penny dropped?" When I was at junior school that was teacher talk aimed at any pupil who was presumably too thick struggling to grasp a concept, usually in a maths lesson where intimidation was the order of the day and the "be kind" concept was aeons in the future. Usually delivered by an increasingly red faced nun almost screaming "has the penny dropped" at cowered pupil who would be struggling with fractions, long division, or whatever and could expect an imminent rap with a blackboard rubber to help focus the mind

For me , it’s hard to believe that FP was a teacher judging by her lack of tolerance for those of a different viewpoint.
She goes further, and seems to want to humiliate posters of different opinions to her own.

It makes no sense how such a dogmatic person made a career out of teaching our young people ; to now claim to speak out of concern is disingenuous.

Not Liz Truss then?
She and Kwarteng were a disaster waiting for a place to happen.

www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/17/brexit-to-blame-for-rising-inflation-says-former-bank-of-england-governor?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other Interesting article explaining how Brexit is to blame for persistent inflation. I don't recall seeing warnings during the campaign that this could have been a consequence ol leaving the EU.

Fleurpepper

Aveline

Oh she'll be back.

Oh indeed, and I am certainly not the only one to be concerned about it. As long as B has such a negative effect on the UK in so so many ways- some of us will keep going.

Many of you too, as you seem totally unable to ignore, get on with your life, and not make personal attacks and comments on 'she' (how rude!).

Many of you too, as you seem totally unable to ignore, get on with your life
I hope you can see the irony in that remark!

I've said previously on this thread and others, I really do not want to be associated with the remarks of others who voted Remain who continue to make derogatory remarks about the intelligence of anyone who voted to leave.

It is unbelievably arrogant and rude and, in my experience, untrue. I'm not apologising for their crassness, though, just wish to say that not all of us are like that.

Who are the ‘some of us’ and what do you hope to achieve by this constant moaning? Apart from driving the rest of us nuts that is,

After thinking on inflation and interest rate changes - things change, as happened in the late 70s, also. All was well after a few years.

It seems recent low interest drove housing prices up.

Current interest rates seem somewhat normal - we bought at 5% in late 50s. Our children bought at slightly higher rates, worked well.

To me, interest isn't an issue. I know I'll be told I'm wrong.

Aveline

Oh she'll be back.

Oh indeed, and I am certainly not the only one to be concerned about it. As long as B has such a negative effect on the UK in so so many ways- some of us will keep going.

Many of you too, as you seem totally unable to ignore, get on with your life, and not make personal attacks and comments on 'she' (how rude!).