Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Dinahmo

Unfortunately their anger, angst etc etc were aimed at the wrong people. You should be blaming those with businesses at home who employed foreign workers. Not the EU.

I’m blaming no one. Like most on here, I’d imagine, I have a comfortable life well away from the problems. Their worry (and where did I say they were angry? ) was in many cases targeted in the only possible way they could see, by voting to stop free movement.

What were they to do about their school - boycott it? There were children literally turning up at the doors nearly every day, and they had to be admitted - straight into class with no notice and no time for teachers to prepare for them. The LA had to abandon its procedures whereby parents had to apply to them for places and they’d be allocated a school.

If you didn’t live or work in the sort of area affected, it’s very easy to dismiss the concerns. But not very empathetic.

I have stated that I actually voted to remain. My point was that people had valid reasons for voting for Brexit. You obviously don’t see it, so you agree that they were all just gullible fools then?

As sure as night follows day.

Dinahmo

Joseann

Katie59

To me the referendum proved what gullible fools most voters are (a few on GN too) led like lambs to the slaughter by Tory wolves.

I would agree that Leave voters were probably naive, and that the Boris lot lied, but fools] (idiots) is not the best choice of word to describe those on GN who clearly stated their reasoning.

No, many of them talked about their feelings but there were very few who wee able to reason coherently.

No, that's not fair. I wasn't on GN 7 or 8 years ago to read, but in the last 12 months or so on here several very articulate posters wrote their reasons for voting Leave. I remember a couple of posters from the Remain side came on to thank them for being open and explaining.

Oh she'll be back.

Oh dear! I have developed a terrible fascination with this thread and find myself checking yet again to see if it’s still alive. How long will it keep going? How many times will the OP try to keep it alive? After it finally dies how long will it be before the OP tries to reincarnate it in another, slightly different form?
If only we could just let it pass away in peace.

Dinahmo

Several of you are constantly reminding FP that she is obsessed with Brexit. If you believe that why don't you just stop posting on this thread and then you will be concerned with what she writes.

Actually, there are several of you have repeated yourselves several times in the above pages s0 perhaps you could stop too.

Actually, there are several of you have repeated yourselves several times in the above pages s0 perhaps you could stop too

Perhaps in the hope the OP might read them and consider another viewpoint from people who are living in the UK?
Who can see a wider picture and look at world events?

However, it is unlikely so yes, perhaps it's a waste of time and also answering statements such as No, there's nothing else going on in the world that's more important (apart from the damage caused by Brexit) than the divisions caused by 13 years of toxic Tory govt.

The world?? Really?

If we wish to counteract some of the rather outlandish statements on the thread, we will.
Otherwise a thread could become one-sided with sycophantic views that are not all representative of Gransnetters.

Callistemon

I echo that 100%.

She is reminded in the hope that she will take notice and reflect.

MerylStreep

Ah, thanks for that. If that’s what was predicted, perhaps she needs one! I’ve only been looking at GN quite recently. I didn’t realise FPS were quite so well entrenched.

Several of you are constantly reminding FP that she is obsessed with Brexit. If you believe that why don't you just stop posting on this thread and then you will be concerned with what she writes.

Actually, there are several of you have repeated yourselves several times in the above pages s0 perhaps you could stop too.

I really don’t understand why any of our children would need an escape route. We are not living in Syria, Ukraine or any of the other countries people need to escape from. Britain is a safe and pleasant country in which to live.

Brexit seems to be an all-consuming tragedy in your life Fleurpepper. Have you noticed that you are the only one on here with this obsession? We all have more interesting things to talk about with family and friends - and to post on GN. Your obsession and anxiety about this subject and your doom-laden views are not healthy.

Brexit has been a successful guaranteed attention- seeker for FP for many, many years; surely by now it has been bled dry.

Together with an insincere concerned tone and verging on passive aggressive phrasing , it is looking increasingly foolish .

Maggiemaybe

Katie59

To me the referendum proved what gullible fools most voters are (a few on GN too) led like lambs to the slaughter by Tory wolves.

I posted earlier about people I worked amongst, struggling at the bottom of our society and worried about their cleaning/labouring/kitchen jobs being taken by EU workers prepared to work for less than their already low wages. Those witnessing their children’s classes being disrupted by the daily influx of bewildered children who spoke no English and were in many cases getting their first experience of education at 7 or 8 years old.

You’d have to have a very closed mind to call these people gullible fools.

Unfortunately their anger, angst etc etc were aimed at the wrong people. You should be blaming those with businesses at home who employed foreign workers. Not the EU.

Joseann

Katie59

To me the referendum proved what gullible fools most voters are (a few on GN too) led like lambs to the slaughter by Tory wolves.

I would agree that Leave voters were probably naive, and that the Boris lot lied, but fools] (idiots) is not the best choice of word to describe those on GN who clearly stated their reasoning.

No, many of them talked about their feelings but there were very few who wee able to reason coherently.

Poppyred

I didn’t even see the BUS - what a load of baloney

You must have been asleep then. The bus was all over the news both tv and print media.

Aveline

Ukraine?

I'm saddened by Ukraine but I'm far more concerned about what's happening in the UK today.

Fp I do hope that you have the capacity to prevent your anxieties about Brexit filtering through to your grandchildren. As a grandmother myself I would hate my grandchildren to think that I predicted such a bleak future for them, blighted by Brexit and the heavy price you believe they will have to pay as a result of it

Very sensible advice, mazzie66
Our DGC really have had enough to cope with in recent years, with Covid, lockdowns, missing school, education (although many schools did their very best under such difficult circumstances), exams disrupted and missing their peers too. We keep hearing how all this has caused social anxiety in many teenagers.
Then the war in Ukraine - children cannot be shielded from the news these days, it surrounds us.

We cannot burden them with more anxieties about things which may never happen, it's irresponsible.

Mazzie66
In a previous life Fleurpepper predicted that the ferries, planes, and trains would stop running due to Brexit.
Perhaps she’s got a new crystal ball 😂

Fp I do hope that you have the capacity to prevent your anxieties about Brexit filtering through to your grandchildren. As a grandmother myself I would hate my grandchildren to think that I predicted such a bleak future for them, blighted by Brexit and the heavy price you believe they will have to pay as a result of it. You seem to think that you can predict the future, whereas I understand that none of us can and definitely not with the degree of certainty that you display here.

Your constant repetitive posts on this matter in an attempt, as I have stated before, to bolster your firm, fixed (some would say false) belief that Brexit is a disaster, only serve to feed your already disproportionate anxiety and (dis)tress.

Please, Fp, take a step back.

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Callistemon21

MerylStreep

What about your adult children and grandchildren
Judging by their spending you wouldn’t know there was a cost of living crisis.

😁

Ditto our AC

Holidays, meals out, house renovations.

Just living and loving life.

MerylStreep

^What about your adult children and grandchildren^
Judging by their spending you wouldn’t know there was a cost of living crisis.

😁

Aveline

But this is a personal thread. It's your personal bee in your bonnet which you won't let go of. Meanwhile life has moved on.

Strange, really, other countries aren't having any problems at all, just the UK.

Everywhere else in the world is sunlit uplands.

What about your adult children and grandchildren
Judging by their spending you wouldn’t know there was a cost of living crisis.

But this is a personal thread. It's your personal bee in your bonnet which you won't let go of. Meanwhile life has moved on.