Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

I laugh out loud every time Varian comments about Brexit. It’s always the”fraudulent” referendum and now “the leave Liars” 😳

The ONLY information we received from the government of the day was a two sided leaflet (costing 10 million?plus) telling us all the benefits (ridiculous) of staying in.

Have any of the previous posts demonstrated conclusively that brexit has not inflicted damage on our country?

Have you read the previous posts?

The UK is still, obviously, a far better place to live than many of the worst countries in the world. I would definitely not want to live in Russia, China, USA, Syria, UEA, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, the CAR, Uganda, Colombia, Haiti, etc

However the UK is not a democracy. Only Belarus, of all the other countries in Europe, also uses "First Past The Post" to elect a government against the will of the majority.

All the other European countries are democracies where a government can only be elected by as majority of votes because they use proportional representation to elect their MPs..

I would rather live in a UK which is democratic and a member of the EU.

Those of us who still regret the decision made by the fraudulent referendum of 2016 are the patriots.

We love our country and are appalled by the damage which has been inflicted on our country buy the Leave Liars, led by Boris Johnson.

^There are 1000s of good points about the UK, I know. But there are not 1000s, and not even a few, about Brexit.

If there is, please (and several of us have asked many times to no effect) please give us a list.^

Not sure many people are defending Brexit - the point is that we are here now. And Britain is still a great place to live.

And the NHS is generally great.

I have never understood the concept of being sorry, or feeling sorry, for someone else when they dont feel sorry for themselves.

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And above inflation which is taking place in many places, and putting prices up in those places, the UK has to pay double- inflation cost, + Brexit cost + low Sterling exchange rates. Quite simple- and not a positive at all

But if we live here, then we receive our pensions, our salaries etc in GBP.

The UK is still a far less expensive place to live than the other-country-which-must-not-be-named.

Fleurpepper

I totally get that most will not care one hoot about the devaluation of pensions due to exchange rates changes, even when it amounts to more 50% loss. I would have never mentionned it if it wasn't for some here constantly referring to the country where I came to look after my elderly parents. Totally.

But you fail to realise that that loss of Sterling value affects everything the UK has to buy in from outside. Yes, we can argue that we should accept to pay more and buy local. I'd totally agree, in fact. But many things can't be bought in the UK- I've given a list several times, and it is very long.

And above inflation which is taking place in many places, and putting prices up in those places, the UK has to pay double- inflation cost, + Brexit cost + low Sterling exchange rates. Quite simple- and not a positive at all.

A weak £ does however help to boost exports therefore also production all of which is good for business and employment figures.
You need to realise that a weak pound means UK exporters can sell their goods cheaper and/or increase their profit margins. A weak £ can help British manufacturers and exporters.
However, the benefits of a weaker Pound depend on demand elsewhere in the world. If the Eurozone and US economies are struggling, then lower prices may be insufficient to lead to a big increase in UK export demand. Sadly much of the Eurozone is struggling. Oh dear, Brexit to blame again?
It’s all a balance, and your pensions are really neither here nor there.
Of course if they don’t go as far as your neighbours’ pensions in Switzerland, you could always bite the bullet and slum it back in the UK like the rest of (as you seem to perceive us) poor saps.

NOT the point. This thread is not about Switzerland, or me.

It is about the clear negative effects of Brexit on the country, and all its inhabitants

Is that not for those of us who do live here to judge?

We do get news here in the UK of what is happening around the world including in EU countries and can see for ourselves that there are problems happening in so many countries, including our nearest neighbours.
We can also ascertain how world events have an impact here and in the EU too.

I totally get that most will not care one hoot about the devaluation of pensions due to exchange rates changes, even when it amounts to more 50% loss
The exchange rate worldwide is something I check from time to time, but if the fluctuations are causing hardship, do you think you'd have been better returning to the UK and not losing so much of your pensions?
Did you rent out your property here?

It might not be as bad as you think, you know!!

As for the cows- it is obvious they are content- those meadows are limited in size by fencing, water troughs are fed with fresh water feed, and they are called for milking when meadows are closed to farms. Very often, ambulatory feed parlours are placed nearby. They come when called, then go back out to feed on natural grassland.

Australian dairy farms? Yes, they are.
I thought we were discussing beef cattle.

Contented cows:

I have stated repeatedly that BREXIT is a disaster

Indeed you have. Why must you keep on doing it? You are obsessive. Your constant complaints about it are so tedious and they will not serve to change the way things are. For heaven’s sake get used to it. What you can’t change you have to accept.

I totally get that most will not care one hoot about the devaluation of pensions due to exchange rates changes, even when it amounts to more 50% loss. I would have never mentionned it if it wasn't for some here constantly referring to the country where I came to look after my elderly parents. Totally.

But you fail to realise that that loss of Sterling value affects everything the UK has to buy in from outside. Yes, we can argue that we should accept to pay more and buy local. I'd totally agree, in fact. But many things can't be bought in the UK- I've given a list several times, and it is very long.

And above inflation which is taking place in many places, and putting prices up in those places, the UK has to pay double- inflation cost, + Brexit cost + low Sterling exchange rates. Quite simple- and not a positive at all.

kitty, I am not putting the country down- I have stated, repeatedly, that BREXIT is a disaster. And I am not bitter- anyone saying this does not know me at all. I am sad, disappointed and more.

And it has nothing to do with my personal situation, at all.

There are 1000s of good points about the UK, I know. But there are not 1000s, and not even a few, about Brexit.

If there is, please (and several of us have asked many times to no effect) please give us a list.

As for the cows- it is obvious they are content- those meadows are limited in size by fencing, water troughs are fed with fresh water feed, and they are called for milking when meadows are closed to farms. Very often, ambulatory feed parlours are placed nearby. They come when called, then go back out to feed on natural grassland.

NOT the point. This thread is not about Switzerland, or me.

It is about the clear negative effects of Brexit on the country, and all its inhabitants.

I will however disagree totally on this claim that 'British pensions are really intended for people living and/or working in Britain'. Why should it be. Pensions are those who have given service for a lifetime of hard work, and not dependent at all on location. That is absolutely clear.

Callistemon21

Katie59

Generally cows in this country are pretty contented, they have food in front of them 24/7 and someone to tend to any ailments they may have every day.
Out in the free range ranching areas they have to walk miles to find food and water, any illnesses or injuries, they either recover or they die because nobody is going to check on them for weeks on end.

Oh, really?

How do you know this?

Technology these days is wonderful, even checking that the cattle have enough water.
Helicopters, not horseback, is the way to check their welfare regularly now too.

The dairy cows aren't the ones free-ranging on thousands of acres either.
They live in large paddocks, just like Swiss cows.
😀

It wouldn't be easy to round up dairy cows twice a day if they're spread over thousands of acres, would it.

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Galaxy

My individual experience would be that the NHS was about a thousand times better under a Labour government.

And our family's is that it was mixed under a Westminster Labour Government with both prompt treatment and also the Stafford Hospital scandal.

Under the Welsh Labour Government I'm afraid that some areas are inefficient and chaotic, others reasonable.

I would say that the NHS is not safe or well-run when in the hands of politicians.

Katie59

Generally cows in this country are pretty contented, they have food in front of them 24/7 and someone to tend to any ailments they may have every day.
Out in the free range ranching areas they have to walk miles to find food and water, any illnesses or injuries, they either recover or they die because nobody is going to check on them for weeks on end.

Oh, really?

How do you know this?

Technology these days is wonderful, even checking that the cattle have enough water.
Helicopters, not horseback, is the way to check their welfare regularly now too.

Germanshepherdsmum

That was a long time ago and they hadn’t had to cope with covid or the exit of staff following Brexit. It’s like comparing oranges and apples.

I think it varies from area to area Germanshepherdsmum I am in S E Essex, at 9 am this morning DD rang her dentist for an emergency NHS appointment she got one at 10.30 am, with a follow up next week.

Our GP surgery is 80% of the time excellent, the receptionists get abuse on a daily basis, if you are the next caller I can understand them being a bit brusque.

During Covid, the surgery was a bit up and down, with the majority of diagnosis’s over the phone.

We are midway between two teaching hospitals one is a seaside town, full of clubs etc and A & E can be extremely busy at weekends and in the summer, the other is normally ok.

Thank you GSM and Spinnaker.

That was a long time ago and they hadn’t had to cope with covid or the exit of staff following Brexit. It’s like comparing oranges and apples.

My individual experience would be that the NHS was about a thousand times better under a Labour government.

Well said both Kittylester and mazzie66.

Also, welcome mazzie66

There are many more good reasons to live in the U.K. than bad ones.

Remember by the time a lie/bad news has travelled round the world the truth/good news is only just getting out of bed

Good post mazzie. 👏👏👏

FP is eaten away with sour bitterness which is so so bad for mental well-being as many many have said. And this has been evidenced time and time again, over many many years for all to see.

I would never choose to live in Switzerland due to my family’s experience there during the 2WW- but of course each to his own.

It’s simple enough to be respectful of other people’s nationality and beliefs, regardless of our personal feelings. I’m very surprised as a teacher you were not taught this - as an Ofstead inspector I can confirm that you would not last 5minutes nowadays.

It’s so so simple to find a hobby where you give back to others, instead of constantly reliving your personal disappointments with life.