Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Not talking about the Euro! But this thread is not about me

Ah, but isn’t it?
Another opportunity to do down the country you profess to be a proud citizen of?
( the demise of the UK )
Another opportunity to claim bullying from those who dismiss your preoccupations?
Another account of how everybody is laughing at the UK?
I think it is very much about you - the “vast majority” you claim to represent are for the most part not whingeing, but getting on with their lives and if things are not necessarily what they might be, recognising that the world is a very different place from what it was pre-pandemic, pre-Ukraine, pre-Putin and not blaming everything on one event 7 years ago.

A 6 hour wait in A & E would be welcomed in Republic of Ireland! Try at least 10 hours. No Brexit here 😉

Fleur, I don't know a soul who is bothered about Brexit. It's done. What is this vast majority you talk of? Ridiculous. Brexit is not on most people's minds. We're getting on with life. Why don't you take up a note productive hobby? We're not going back into the EU. Suck it up .

Not talking about the Euro! But this thread is not about me.

Yes, the issues facing other countries are also significant, but none of them have BREXIT added to make it all significantly worse.

CheersMeDears, the vast majority who are very concerned about the negative effects of Brexit are of course in the UK, and many of them are Conservatives too.

How do posters feel about the fact that Germany is looking at the idea of sending some migrants to Africa.

www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/germany-planning-to-transfer-asylum-procedures-in-africa/

watching the demise of the UK you just can't help yourself with the over dramatic, hysterical hyperbole can you? The UK is NOT in its demise any more than Germany, France, Italy, Spain or Greece is. Like them, we have problems. Some caused by world events (cheers Mr Putin). Some caused by the aftermath of the pandemic. And some caused post Brexit. It's been pointed out to you by several posters that they've experienced difficulties in France and Germany but, for your own personal reasons, you've decided that the UK is unique in its problems and is already dead and buried. What the UK doesn't need is any more moaning, miserable, negative people who only want to be in the country when they're getting something out of it that benefits them personally and who sit and whinge from afar when things aren't going their way.

A losf of over 60% of income, due to an event no-one could possibly anticipate, is not really easy to anticipate. I know many who had to pack up and return due to loss of income due to falling Sterling.

I’m genuinely puzzled here, OP. There were 1.43 euros to the pound in November 2015, now there are 1.17.

A significant fall, certainly, but nowhere near 60%? Perhaps I’m missing something?

Fleurpepper

Is there anyone here on GN still prepared to stand and say that it is not- and give evidence to the effect?

As someone who lives in Republic of Ireland (still in EU) I can assure you the grass is certainly not greener. We dance to their tune or else

CheersMeDears

It’s really sad that many people are bored by Brexit news now but I suspect this is another government ploy to sweep their mess under the carpet.

Say WHAT!

... government are infiltrating GN?

😂😂

JudyBloom

The disaster is that Brexit has not been delivered !! We are still tied to hundreds of EU laws. If Brexit had been implemented as it should have been, this country would be so much better off. We have been betrayed by the remainers. Brexit can't be blamed when it hasn't been done properly. We need our own sovereignty and democratic values not tyrrany which is the way it's all going now.

We have been betrayed by the remainers.

How so?

Brexit can't be blamed when it hasn't been done properly.

If it hasn't been "done properly" that is entirely down to the current government who, in fact, as Brexiters - did not all speak with one voice.

You were given a binary choice in the Referendum which completely failed to acknowledge the complexity of either Leaving or Remaining...

... Leave - but embrace an EFTA or WTO structure?
... Remain - in what way - any special 'deals' - would we have any special status?

Prior to the Referendum, Leave campaigners barely mentioned the Customs Union.

Michael Gove wanted us to be “outside the single market but have access to it”. Obviously, total access would've meant contributing to the EU budget and accepting free movement. What he wanted was called "cakeism".

Businesses also did not have a unanimous view on Europe.

There is no plan for no deal, because we’re going to get a great deal Boris Johnson circa 2017.

The free trade agreement that we will have to come to with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history Liam Fox 2017.

It’s highly improbable, but always possible, that the deal will come apart at the end for some wholly unpredictable reason David Davis 2019

When Johnson was the front runner for Tory leadership he said that the only solution to the scale of immigration which the UK was facing, was to leave the EU.

He claimed a vote to stay in the union would mean people "kissing goodbye permanently to control of immigration".

But then... in an article published in the Daily Telegraph he denied a victory for leaving the EU could be linked to immigration.

He wrote: "It is said that those who voted Leave were mainly driven by anxieties about immigration. I do not believe that is so."

... and then, Daniel Hannan, one of the architects of the Vote Leave Campaign, during a heated TV debate warned... ^

Frankly, if people watching think that they have voted and there is now going to be zero immigration from the EU, they are going to be disappointed. Because - he simply wanted a "measure of control" over immigration... "We never said there was going to be some radical decline (in immigration)

But, oh yes! You've been betrayed by REMAINERS.

The implementation of Brexit was never going to be straightforward - and reducing it to a simple question of IN or OUT was foolish. You carry on showing deference to the badly designed Referendum called by Cameron for party management / political reasons. But don't expect everyone else to deify it in the same way.

maddyone

^You take the tough with the smooth when you go to live abroad.^

Absolutely. That was the point I was trying to make.

Of course, and you plan well and make sure you can take the rough with the smooth. A losf of over 60% of income, due to an event no-one could possibly anticipate, is not really easy to anticipate. I know many who had to pack up and return due to loss of income due to falling Sterling.

Oh and yes, the Swiss, and they are a very varied lot, culturally, linguistically, and in 100s of other ways, are constantly discussing joining the EU fully, or cutting the Norway/Swiss style agreement, which is something in between, and of course includes standards for imports and exports, and free movement. The only thing which has destroyed arguments that such close ties and free movement (Schengen), has been watching the demise of the UK and the disastrous effects it has had on industry, imports and exports, supply chains, research and universities and innovation, etc. It has shut their arguments better than anything else could have.

Callistemon, the UK could have had the sort of Brexit that would have had a Swiss/Norway style agreement- but Johnson chose to go for the hardest of Brexit, and get rid of Free movement. Remember all the promises made during the campaign that Brexit would not endanger our place in the Single Market and the Customs Union.

As said, Johnson's demise is a game changer, and the vast majority of the population, including 'one nation' Conservatives, now know it is an umitigated disaster for business, industry, agriculture and so much more. And the proof, beyond doubt, that the Referendum was won on lies and interference from foreign Press Barons and Russian Oligarchs- so much so that the Electoral would have HAD to cancel ti, had it been binding.

The boat it turning- slowly but surely.

Posted too soon
If you move to another country, exchange rates are something you presumably take into account, balancing with living conditions, climate, standard of living cost of housing, medical provision etc
Win some, lose some ?

Given that Fleurpepper and her husband devoted their working lives to serving the community in this country I think she has every right to be aggrieved that their pension has been decimated through no fault of their own
Did the rest of us not also “devote our working lives ” Blah, blah,blah but without necessarily the security of an NHS and aTP pension to look forward to?

Candelle it’s nice to see you post again.

Hilarybee

A 13 page thread! On Brexit. Brexit still arouses strong and deep feelings

That's why I was interested to know if the Swiss still chuntered on about their first extremely close referendum and the subsequent one where they voted decisively NOT to join the EU.

Are they happy with the status quo?
How did they achieve their agreements with the EU?
Can we do that?

CheersMeDears

^It’s really sad that many people are bored by Brexit news now but I suspect this is another government ploy to sweep their mess under the carpet.^

Whaaat??? I'll be the first one to pin my colours the mast of declaring that this government is totally and completely shambolic and useless. But for the life of me I just cannot compute how they're responsible for Gransnet growing bored of discussing Brexit. And how does that boredom aid the government sweeping their mess under a carpet? Nonsensical!

👏

Hilarybee

A 13 page thread! On Brexit. Brexit still arouses strong and deep feelings

I'm only on page 4 - you could change your settings, it doesn't look so bad then 😁

Hilarybee

A 13 page thread! On Brexit. Brexit still arouses strong and deep feelings

Yes it does, but I think I've written most of my comments correctly explaining how Brexit wasn't to blame for everything that came before it and after it.

My only protest march was against Brexit: the fact that I actually raised my weary bones to march shows how I feel.

I have not read every page but congratulations on such an animated thread.Our country has been much diminished by Brexit in so many ways.

I would love Brexit successes to be listed (if they haven't yet been done). Perhaps start with successes from 1 to 10? The others can always be added later..

It’s really sad that many people are bored by Brexit news now but I suspect this is another government ploy to sweep their mess under the carpet.

Whaaat??? I'll be the first one to pin my colours the mast of declaring that this government is totally and completely shambolic and useless. But for the life of me I just cannot compute how they're responsible for Gransnet growing bored of discussing Brexit. And how does that boredom aid the government sweeping their mess under a carpet? Nonsensical!

A 13 page thread! On Brexit. Brexit still arouses strong and deep feelings

Callistemon21

Aveline

Maremia I suggest you read the whole thread. You have completely missed the point.

Yes

And still continues to miss the point 😄
I expect the OP will do another of these threads in a few months as this one was so successful.
Meanwhile most people will continue to enjoy the Summer🌞

Sp - typo again!

Whole

I totally agree with the original poster. None of my family voted to leave but, living in Kent, am aware that many around us did. It still makes me angry to think about the lies we were told.
It’s really sad that many people are bored by Brexit news now but I suspect this is another government ploy to sweep their mess under the carpet.

Maremia

AVELINE, I suggest you re-read the question. 'Has the penny dropped. BREXIT is a disaster'. Quickest way to shut this thread down, as appeared to be the intention of quite a few of you at the start of the comments, is not by pretending it's all over blah blah blah, but by providing proof that BREXIT has not been a disaster and the most convincing way to do this is by sharing with us what you have found to be a genuine benefit for yourself, or your family and so on. So, over to you. Back to the actual relevance of the post. Can you demonstrate to the Rejoiners that BREXIT has not been a disaster.

If you try reading the while thread you might realise you are barking up the wrong tree Maremia
Or addressing the wrong people.