Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

I agree with you Fp. It has limited my life choices in many ways. Hopefully, we will rejoin the EU one day. As for Health and Safety, along with the state of our beaches and rivers, this government can't be trusted to look after people's health and are trying to overturn current EU Health and Safety initiatives to save money. People who voted for the Brexit lies still can't admit the damage that has been done. They are either very wealthy or live in their own bubble Don't let the bullies silence you.

I really enjoyed watching that.

It certainly hasn't helped, MibsXX!

Is it "Brexit"though or simply all down to a bunch of greedy moneygrabbing pigs feeding from the trough at the top? Any change might have gone well if those in charge actually wanted and tried to make that happen...

Yes, me too Callistemon.
And all that happening in the EU too. Awful.

maddyone

Callistemon21

We NEED the “low-paid” European workers to thrive

Anyone in this country in paid employment should be paid the correct wage for the job they do, whatever their nationality.

Quite.

Just to reiterate, I voted remain.
But that doesn’t mean that I support exploitation of workers, wherever they come from.

Maybee although I voted remain, I always felt badly about how we exploited workers from the EU. And we did.

Yes, I did too but have since been horrified to see how African workers are exploited on Spanish farms.

Callistemon21

^We NEED the “low-paid” European workers to thrive^

Anyone in this country in paid employment should be paid the correct wage for the job they do, whatever their nationality.

Quite.

Just to reiterate, I voted remain.
But that doesn’t mean that I support exploitation of workers, wherever they come from.

Maybee although I voted remain, I always felt badly about how we exploited workers from the EU. And we did.

She didn’t mean it in that way. It was a reference to the minimum wage reference.

We NEED the “low-paid” European workers to thrive

Anyone in this country in paid employment should be paid the correct wage for the job they do, whatever their nationality.

maddyone

suelld
You support paying people low wages?

Did vote leave explain how we were going to replace those EU crop pickers and prevent crops being wasted in fields?

sazz1

I'm very pleased we had Brexit and left.
We aren't pouring gallons of milk and butter away now that we couldn't sell or even give away to the poor
We aren't paying benefits for six kids in an Eastern European country while their dad works here on minimum wage
We aren't leaving fields empty or moving sheep from field to field to pay farmers not to grow crops
We can sell our own produce without limits
We can fish our own waters when we like
We aren't exploiting European workers fruit picking in terrible conditions on v low pay
We can have our own laws without them being overturned by the EU courts in favour of the criminals.
And that's just a few of the benefits of leaving

👏👏👏 well said sazz1

suelld
You support paying people low wages?

Just interested sue, but how have the rules changed that make it more difficult for you to trade? And the same question about your friends? What has changed that prevents you from trading? Especially trading in books?

I voted remain by the way, but interested to know.

sazz1

I'm very pleased we had Brexit and left.
We aren't pouring gallons of milk and butter away now that we couldn't sell or even give away to the poor
We aren't paying benefits for six kids in an Eastern European country while their dad works here on minimum wage
We aren't leaving fields empty or moving sheep from field to field to pay farmers not to grow crops
We can sell our own produce without limits
We can fish our own waters when we like
We aren't exploiting European workers fruit picking in terrible conditions on v low pay
We can have our own laws without them being overturned by the EU courts in favour of the criminals.
And that's just a few of the benefits of leaving

I for one can dispute a load of that rubbish…
You cannot sell without limits …trade with Europe used to flourish …it is currently tied up in so much red tape it’s impossible to trade properly. Small businesses are particularly affected.
We NEED the “low-paid” European workers to thrive. Nurses and Doctors who used to help the NHS thrive are now no-where to be found…why? Brexit red tape, etc
Fisheries are faltering…Brexit.
I am not feeling well or I would post a more comprehensive answer…but google each of your ‘points’ and research more thoroughly?

Romola

I'm with you, Fleurpepper.
It may not happen in my lifetime but we shall once again join what is more or less the only benign bloc on the planet, to which we naturally belong.

I’m with you too Fleurpepper, was against it from the start.
I am a small business semi retired Book Seller and the rules after Brexit have all but killed my business and that of many of my friends . The trade results in most businesses are similar - large or small.
Brexit was founded on LIES. And they are showing…

Given that Fleurpepper and her husband devoted their working lives to serving the community in this country I think she has every right to be aggrieved that their pension has been decimated through no fault of their own.

In fairness, I think Fleurpepper did mention the lack of opportunities for her grandchildren in the future, so maybe she does look beyond her personal pension.
I do not receive a pension yet, so I have no idea how things on that front will affect me. That is where this thread gets complicated because we might all be at different stages in our lives, we might all have different means and probably all have different outlooks.

sazz1

I'm very pleased we had Brexit and left.
We aren't pouring gallons of milk and butter away now that we couldn't sell or even give away to the poor
We aren't paying benefits for six kids in an Eastern European country while their dad works here on minimum wage
We aren't leaving fields empty or moving sheep from field to field to pay farmers not to grow crops
We can sell our own produce without limits
We can fish our own waters when we like
We aren't exploiting European workers fruit picking in terrible conditions on v low pay
We can have our own laws without them being overturned by the EU courts in favour of the criminals.
And that's just a few of the benefits of leaving

Are you 100% sure that every point you make is correct? I’ll Google them myself but wondered if anyone knew off hand….

Absolutely right Hetty58.

I am a Remain voter and if I thought that FP was genuinely upset and dismayed about the general impact of brexit for the countryand its people, I'd be more supportive of her concerns. As it is, her most recent post seems to focus only on how her personal pension has been affected. Not very altruistic or public spirited after all.

The OP uses the same method every time i.e. posting something that is bound to cause trouble. (She has been doing this for at least 7 years) and then proclaiming all innocence and that people are picking on her - looking for sympathy “for poor old me”

I see that you’ve succeeded once again Fleurpepper - quite a few sympathy votes from unsuspecting members.
Sorry, but it doesn’t wash with me or many others who remember your “various names”.

I'm very pleased we had Brexit and left.
We aren't pouring gallons of milk and butter away now that we couldn't sell or even give away to the poor
We aren't paying benefits for six kids in an Eastern European country while their dad works here on minimum wage
We aren't leaving fields empty or moving sheep from field to field to pay farmers not to grow crops
We can sell our own produce without limits
We can fish our own waters when we like
We aren't exploiting European workers fruit picking in terrible conditions on v low pay
We can have our own laws without them being overturned by the EU courts in favour of the criminals.
And that's just a few of the benefits of leaving

Are the people who voted Remain, angry?

The OP maybe?

Steady on ladies. This is bordering on bullying. We don’t have to see eye to eye on everything but we shouldn’t be so hypercritical

I did not vote for Brexit as I could not discern any advantage in it and was concerned that our government would attempt to do away with many European enactments which benefit ordinary people - as indeed it is trying to do. Trading with SE Asia or Australiainstead of our nearest neighbours just seems dotty. Dotty actually describes the current batch of Tory politicians and the sooner they are out of office the better Though living in England for much of my life, I remain loyal to my Scots nationality. Scotland hasbeen forced into Brexit against its peoples' will.