Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

MaizieD

The interesting thing is that if anyone else had started a Brexit thread it would have
a) been posted on mostly by remain voters and ignored by leave voters
b) run a few days then lapsed

It's noticeable that only threads started by Fp bring out the barrage of spite. It's been like this for about 6 years now...

Indeed and for a lot longer thatn 6 years. I did change my name, on advice, and with the approval of GN.

Yes, very personal attacks, vile, with the oft made comment that somehow I have no right to comment on the demise of the UK due to Brexit, Johnson and co- because I do not live in the UK currently. Many others do not either, and are never attacked as I am, or my comments distorted.

I never said the UK is currently my home, as reported above, but that I have been officially British for over 50 years.

Many people in this day and age have two or more places they call home, and know intimately and are very strongly connected to.

This thread was posted in the wake of Johnson's demise, and the clear indication that the nation, including many Cons, have come to the conclusion Brexit is a disaster, and cannot be made to work- when it has not even been fully implemented.

And a GE, and a possible snap election to come if Sunak is pushed. Brenda is in for a shock.

Yes, there was two sensible ways to respond. Ignore- fair enough. Or respond to the question.

But some chose to go on the attack, again in a vile and very personal way, and then to accuse me of 'causing trouble'.

Go figure!

Freya5

My German family did make comments initially. Not any more. They're in a worse position than us, with far more costly food than ours.
Cannot believe people are still twittering on about this. The whole of Eurozone now in recession,
Eurozone sinks into recession as cost of living crisis takes toll
GDP shrank 0.1% in first quarter of 2023 and final three months of 2022 after revisions to earlier estimates

Business live – latest updates

Interesting to have the viewpoint of those living in another European country
There is a danger in thinking Woe is us and that we are on a downward spiral while the rest of the EU basks in economic sunshine. This is not Schadenfreude (rejoicing at the suffering of others) but helps to put things in perspective.
Yes things are worse in too many respects but nobody can say what they might have been otherwise (20/20 hindsight)
Just because events have turned out as they have since the referendum does not necessarily mean they happened because of it. post hoc ergo propter hoc
Before anybody shoots me down in flames with chapter and verse - I know of the many downsides and retrograde steps but you can’t necessarily blame all our economic ills on leaving the EU, especially if the Eurozone itself is in recession.
That’s too simplistic and why threads like this will continue to go round in circles instead of looking forwards.
And finally, perhaps Freya ‘s German family might like to join Fleurpeppers next international gathering of German, Swiss, Italian, US and Japanese etc friends and put the other point of view?

MaizieD

The interesting thing is that if anyone else had started a Brexit thread it would have
a) been posted on mostly by remain voters and ignored by leave voters
b) run a few days then lapsed

It's noticeable that only threads started by Fp bring out the barrage of spite. It's been like this for about 6 years now...

Interesting. Until people started mentioning her name I hadnt even noticed who the OP was. What you suggest seems like a form of stalking and I would like to continue believing people in general are better than that. I'm sure FP pulled on her big girl knickers as she posted. The one thing you can be sure about on the politics thread is that, should you put a view forward there will always be:

People with a with a well thought out, but diametrically opposite view.
People who feel they should voice an opinion on anything and every thing even if they know nothing about it.
People who you have disagreed with in the past who welcome the chance to snipe.

That's always been how some people behave. We have now brought those people into our home via the Internet.

Aveline

What's the common denominator?

I know what you are getting at, but other posters have started multiple Brexit threads without being vilified. The usual reaction is to ignore. Why is that very sensible option being sidelined?

DaisyAnneReturns

Allsorts

Growstuff, in answer to your questions , they never stop moaning and what iffing instead of getting on with things, piling all life’s woes on Brexit. Deal with what is and not what could have been, I’m glad we’re out. I can’t see the benefits of being in it. As for holiday homes abroad, if I had one it could be a problem, then I would sell it if it cost too much, many more just haven’t the money to own one in the first place. It’s hardly life threatening.

I would think, unless you own one in an EU country, holiday homes come quite a long way down most people's list. Many things seem far more important, one being that we are no longer part of the largest trading area in the world.

It's those 'important things' that the leavers either gloss over or are not interested in. They are indifferent to the significant problems, such as loss of livelihood, their vote has caused other people, to the enabling of a corrupt and incompetent charlatan to achieve the highest political office and to the loss of national wealth.

Their indifference and their inability to list any benefits makes me question the soundness of their initial judgement.

What's the common denominator?

The interesting thing is that if anyone else had started a Brexit thread it would have
a) been posted on mostly by remain voters and ignored by leave voters
b) run a few days then lapsed

It's noticeable that only threads started by Fp bring out the barrage of spite. It's been like this for about 6 years now...

Allsorts

Growstuff, in answer to your questions , they never stop moaning and what iffing instead of getting on with things, piling all life’s woes on Brexit. Deal with what is and not what could have been, I’m glad we’re out. I can’t see the benefits of being in it. As for holiday homes abroad, if I had one it could be a problem, then I would sell it if it cost too much, many more just haven’t the money to own one in the first place. It’s hardly life threatening.

I would think, unless you own one in an EU country, holiday homes come quite a long way down most people's list. Many things seem far more important, one being that we are no longer part of the largest trading area in the world.

My German family did make comments initially. Not any more. They're in a worse position than us, with far more costly food than ours.
Cannot believe people are still twittering on about this. The whole of Eurozone now in recession,
Eurozone sinks into recession as cost of living crisis takes toll
GDP shrank 0.1% in first quarter of 2023 and final three months of 2022 after revisions to earlier estimates

Business live – latest updates

Allsorts

Growstuff, in answer to your questions , they never stop moaning and what iffing instead of getting on with things, piling all life’s woes on Brexit. Deal with what is and not what could have been, I’m glad we’re out. I can’t see the benefits of being in it. As for holiday homes abroad, if I had one it could be a problem, then I would sell it if it cost too much, many more just haven’t the money to own one in the first place. It’s hardly life threatening.

How do you know that people who comment on a social media site don't "get on with things"? Just because they have an opinion that doesn't chime with yours doesn't mean that they don't have a life to lead. In between commenting on here, I'm doing all kinds of other stuff that constitute getting-on-with-things, and having periods of fun, and relaxation. I doubt I'm unique in this.

Why does it even bother you if people want to talk about the issue of our leaving the EU? Seriously - why? You're not forced to participate in a discussion that irritates you and, frankly, if you join in the debate to add your view, then you're no different to those that you are criticising.

You may not be affected by Brexit and, as you say, you can't see the benefits of being part of the EU - fair enough, but why the damning of those whose experience is different to yours?

If the conversation becomes too boring or repetitive for your taste, then why not just opt out of it?

The conundrum for me is that you and others accuse those who are critical of Brexit of "moaning" and "whingeing" and yet it's the result of the very same moaning and whingeing that's been taking place since 1975 from Euro-sceptics that led us out of the EU! Because that's how it works, the process is a continuum... politics didn't end with the Referendum result in '75 did it, so why should 2016 be set in stone for all time?

Maggiemaybe

And as we all know, opinion polls are invariably right.

Either believing all polls are right or all polls are wrong is a very simplistic view. One usually held buy those who, "as we all know" think their guesses are invariably right.

Allsorts

Growstuff, in answer to your questions , they never stop moaning and what iffing instead of getting on with things, piling all life’s woes on Brexit. Deal with what is and not what could have been, I’m glad we’re out. I can’t see the benefits of being in it. As for holiday homes abroad, if I had one it could be a problem, then I would sell it if it cost too much, many more just haven’t the money to own one in the first place. It’s hardly life threatening.

So, if you’d had a holiday property abroad you would have still voted leave and you would have sold the property ( probably at a loss because of the circumstances)?

Callistemon
it must have been so embarrassing, Fleurpepper, sitting amongst such rude people and having to admit you are British
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Growstuff, in answer to your questions , they never stop moaning and what iffing instead of getting on with things, piling all life’s woes on Brexit. Deal with what is and not what could have been, I’m glad we’re out. I can’t see the benefits of being in it. As for holiday homes abroad, if I had one it could be a problem, then I would sell it if it cost too much, many more just haven’t the money to own one in the first place. It’s hardly life threatening.

Well we could keep on having polls and referendums in the hope that everyone would turn out. Bad losers.

My comment wasn't random. I should have quoted fancythat.

There was a Brexit cocktail. It was horrible and looked like sick. Sums it up.

Did you know, a German Teddy Bear making company, a bit like Steiff, brought out a Brexit bear?

Dinahmo

Perhaps someone/anyone could kindly explain why they come on a thread like this and then moan about it? I often look at some of the other threads, think that the subject is of no interest to me and so I pass on. I don't bother to read them and nor do I look and ask why the OP is bothering.

Teddies Dinahmo tesddies.
Am I going to have to keep repeating it after all.

If an effective title warning was used, it may be better,
See, am I going to have to keep repeating myself too.

Maybe they should look at compulsory voting like we have here. I have never really liked it but sometimes it seems necessary. I know why they do it here- we would be open to dictators otherwise because the vast majority wouldn’t bother and we all know it !

CheersMeDears

^But if you look at those conducted since 2021 they are showing a decline in support for the decision to leave.^

Well of course it is! Any poll will provide accurate statistics 5 years after the event and with the benefit of 20/20 vision! What a pity your polls weren't a little more accurate in 2016. As it turned out, they were wildly inaccurate and led everyone to believe that a Leave decision was so far out of the realms of possibility that far too many people were complacent that Remain would win and they couldn't be bothered getting up, going out and voting.

As it turned out, they were wildly inaccurate and led everyone to believe that a Leave decision was so far out of the realms of possibility that far too many people were complacent that Remain would win and they couldn't be bothered getting up, going out and voting.

Do you think it was just complacency brought on by the polls? - I believe there are simply lazy people who just couldn't be bothered.

But if you look at those conducted since 2021 they are showing a decline in support for the decision to leave.

Well of course it is! Any poll will provide accurate statistics 5 years after the event and with the benefit of 20/20 vision! What a pity your polls weren't a little more accurate in 2016. As it turned out, they were wildly inaccurate and led everyone to believe that a Leave decision was so far out of the realms of possibility that far too many people were complacent that Remain would win and they couldn't be bothered getting up, going out and voting.

Maggiemaybe

And as we all know, opinion polls are invariably right.

Yes, 2016 defied the polls.

But if you look at those conducted since 2021 they are showing a decline in support for the decision to leave.

Spring 2021, there was an upsurge - maybe connected to the vaccine roll-out which saw support for the government increase. Understandably.

The May 2023 figures come from IPSOS. Just before the Brexit vote, this was on their website:

From our figures, the probability of Britain voting to Remain in the European Union is 74%, using the model developed by Number Cruncher Politics. This means there is still a one in four chance of Brexit.

And as we all know, opinion polls are invariably right.