Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

DaisyAnneReturns

Whitewavemark2

Brexit was and never will be a one day event. It’s ramifications are felt every day.

Indeed the changes we made are. But hammering on about a passed vote nicknamed Brexit rather than how we are governed today and tomorrow will not make anything any better.

What do you want to do? Live in the past or move forward to the future ?

DaisyAnneReturns - where from DaisyAnne?

If we talk about how we are governed today we will have to reference the current government and some of its more obvious, erm, "mis-steps" which, on here, is quite frequently regarded as 'Tory-bashing'.

Referring back to Brexit is not necessarily living in the past - it was, basically, the moment from which the whole sorry saga started. And deserves to be examined. Because a lot of people have been disappointed by what they were promised and what the reality of those promises turned into.

Kandinsky

*As we try to recover from the hammer blows of brexit*

I haven’t noticed a single difference tbh.
I think that’s true for most people.

Which rather begs the question... why did we leave?

It was meant to make a difference - isn't that why people voted for it?

DaisyAnne, we need to learn from the past, for by doing so we will avoid making similar mistakes again and we won't do that by not discussing where we went wrong, however boring you may find it.

As far as I can see on this thread no-one is explaining all the claimed advantages of Brexit. Nor did the Mogg find any Brexit opportunities when he was Minister for the same. Where are the super new trade deals? How does it help our fishermen and farmers? How does extra port paperwork help food prices? What about the loss of employment opportunities in Europe now free movement has gone? Has it made dealing with immigration more difficult?

DaisyAnneReturns

Whitewavemark2

Brexit was and never will be a one day event. It’s ramifications are felt every day.

Indeed the changes we made are. But hammering on about a passed vote nicknamed Brexit rather than how we are governed today and tomorrow will not make anything any better.

What do you want to do? Live in the past or move forward to the future ?

We haven’t been able to move forward for the past seven years, though, because it took years to get Brexit done: and it still isn’t done. Rees Mogg didn’t point out in the run up to the referendum that it would take 50 years to reap the benefits. Mind you it only took him 7 years to reap his benefit…being honoured by Johnson for service to the country

Whitewavemark2

Brexit was and never will be a one day event. It’s ramifications are felt every day.

Indeed the changes we made are. But hammering on about a passed vote nicknamed Brexit rather than how we are governed today and tomorrow will not make anything any better.

What do you want to do? Live in the past or move forward to the future ?

Again, I know people are not particularly talking about me.

But I am glad about Brexit. Didnt dream about voting differently then or now personally.

I do think people need to be a bit careful. The vote was called incorrectly back then. I think it could be now too.
The silent majority are often just that. Silent. And the majority.

And that ends my peacekeeping on this subject and on another thread.

Have a nice day everyone. And as far as I am concerned, let the hot weather continue. Until we all need the rain once more.

I agree, MayBe, they don't want to discuss it because they don't want to admit that they were wrong in voting for Brexit. All their glib replies are just to hide their blushes. We need a public inquiry into the whole thing and those who were responsible for misinforming the public should be named and shamed. There is a public inquiry into Covid so that we learn from the mistakes that were made. The same should be done with Brexit.

Whitewavemark2

Germanshepherdsmum

The trouble is, Wyllow, she keeps bringing up Brexit with depressing regularity. The vain hope is always that the drum will stop being banged and she will move on.

Why shouldn’t she?

Teddies Whitewavemark2. Teddies.

I think if the title gave a bit of a heads up, then people would feel better about it?

Fleurpepper Brexit - Has the penny dropped as fast as the Pound Brexit is a disaster? type thing.

Not my beef really. I have only been on this site for 5 months. Cant say I have seen her mention Brexit before, as I have not personally been looking.
But there clearly is an issue for many.

Whitewavemark2

Sorry to hear about your health issues but I
don’t think our crumbling NHS is all down to brexit. Staff are leaving because they aren’t earning enough money, the job is hard & stressful & people can have a better work / life balance in other jobs.
Hopefully when Labour get back in they’ll
increase wages & improve work conditions.

It’s too easy to blame brexit for everything that’s going wrong with the nhs.
My mum had a planned operation cancelled 3 times 30 years ago.
So maybe rose tinted glasses are being worn here.

Germanshepherdsmum

The trouble is, Wyllow, she keeps bringing up Brexit with depressing regularity. The vain hope is always that the drum will stop being banged and she will move on.

Why shouldn’t she?

The trouble is, Wyllow, she keeps bringing up Brexit with depressing regularity. The vain hope is always that the drum will stop being banged and she will move on.

Brexit was and never will be a one day event. It’s ramifications are felt every day.

Smileless2012

That wasn't what my post was about Whitewavemark. I agree that if there were another referendum and the majority voted for a reversal of Brexit that would be democratic, so why am I constantly seeing references to the undemocratic vote by a majority in favour of Brexit?

Oreo.

Oh I see, well, it was agreed in a court of law that the leave campaign was fraudulent and therefore undemocratic.

Nothing, however could be done because the vote was only “advisory”

Does that answer your question?

Tickles me not ticks me

Blimey, if you dont like what Fleur says and you have better things to do, then you have no need to post on this thread. it always ticks me when people come in to complain about a thread instead of passing on by.

I can't think of a time when I haven't grieved for losing our connections with our nearest neighbours, and it's not all about peace.
We've had the lists and reasons, I'm just with the O/P on continual reminders of our foolish decision.

Fleurpepper

Is there anyone here on GN still prepared to stand and say that it is not- and give evidence to the effect?

"Brexit" was a one day event. It's over, dead, deceased, happened and moved on.

Those who need to listen for dropping pennies are those who haven't realised yet that it is the running of our country that is the disaster. Yes, some of that is due to "events" that any government would have had to deal with. Yes, some of that is due to our changed relationship with the world's largest single market. With both self-inflicted and global issues we need a competent government.

One without constant internal machinations would be a start. One that understands that running a government requires a great deal more than constant "charisma" injections into the arms of "I'm entitled to my opinion" voters. Then we could add one that recognises that good manners towards friends and allies is a plus. Last but not least, the recognition that we are all equal and all deserve the opportunity to thrive would also go a long way.

Kandinsky

*As we try to recover from the hammer blows of brexit*

I haven’t noticed a single difference tbh.
I think that’s true for most people.

So apart from the statistics and evidence we see every day, i can give you first hand information.

I have been unfortunate enough to have to attend A&E a number of times over the past couple of weeks in different counties, and in No A&E was the wait less than 6 hours.

In fact on my last visit, after waiting 4 hours and at about 11.30 at night the A&E consultant came into the waiting room to ask anyone who could manage to go home and see their GP, as they were not coping. I was unable to comply because I needed morphine.

When I eventually got to see a splendid young doctor at about 1Am I asked why the request and of course it was severe staff shortage.

Guess the reason - given in every case!

Whitewavemark2

Callistemon21

A sensible discussion with facts and questions about the impact Johnson has had on the whole process is one thing but this is just another anti-Brexit, anti-British, 'the whole world is laughing at you all' goady thread.

Then drop out.

Simple🙂

Why drop out of the thread when many people see an agenda here? I wasn't around on GN during Brexit times, but even I am getting quite a good picture of how the disappointment of the result has turned some Remainers very sour towards others, who are only trying to get on with life and don't like their country being constantly criticised.

That wasn't what my post was about Whitewavemark. I agree that if there were another referendum and the majority voted for a reversal of Brexit that would be democratic, so why am I constantly seeing references to the undemocratic vote by a majority in favour of Brexit?

Oreo.

Kandinsky

*As we try to recover from the hammer blows of brexit*

I haven’t noticed a single difference tbh.
I think that’s true for most people.

Yeah what hammer blows?😄

Callistemon 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

As we try to recover from the hammer blows of brexit

I haven’t noticed a single difference tbh.
I think that’s true for most people.

Callistemon21

A sensible discussion with facts and questions about the impact Johnson has had on the whole process is one thing but this is just another anti-Brexit, anti-British, 'the whole world is laughing at you all' goady thread.

Then drop out.

Simple🙂

A sensible discussion with facts and questions about the impact Johnson has had on the whole process is one thing but this is just another anti-Brexit, anti-British, 'the whole world is laughing at you all' goady thread.