Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

ImogenMac

I’m afraid disbelief cannot be suspended enough to agree that you have shown yourself to be positive or tolerant in any respects, FP.

Overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Your prerogative, of course. But you don't know me, at all- so your judgement is not valid at all.

Aveline

Oh yes. Thank God for our international expert in all aspects of economics, education, agricultural policy and so much more! If only she actually lived, paid taxes and voted here.

We do pay taxes in the UK, we do have property in the UK we pay tax on, and we certainly do vote here too. We have no pension or income from anywhere else either. And all our close family, ACs, Gcs, sils, bils and lofe long friends, in the UK too.

So not quite sure who you are talking about ???

Fleurpepper do you honestly think that you're the only person in the whole world who's income has taken a battering since brexit, covid and the war in Ukraine? People all over the world are struggling to pay their rent, put food on the table and pay their utilities, even, believe it or not, in countries that have NOTHING to do with brexit. But here you are, 35 pages later, still moaning that you've only got a UK pension and nothing else blah blah blah. Well guess what? So have millions of others, but they manage to struggle on without constantly bleating how hard done by they are and how terribly they've been treated. Look around you, see what real hardship looks like and count your many blessings. This perpetual moaning is obsessive and deeply insulting to those of us who have considerably less than you have.

Good, pertinent post

CheersMeDears

Fleurpepper do you honestly think that you're the only person in the whole world who's income has taken a battering since brexit, covid and the war in Ukraine? People all over the world are struggling to pay their rent, put food on the table and pay their utilities, even, believe it or not, in countries that have NOTHING to do with brexit. But here you are, 35 pages later, still moaning that you've only got a UK pension and nothing else blah blah blah. Well guess what? So have millions of others, but they manage to struggle on without constantly bleating how hard done by they are and how terribly they've been treated. Look around you, see what real hardship looks like and count your many blessings. This perpetual moaning is obsessive and deeply insulting to those of us who have considerably less than you have.

Do you really think she only cares about her pension? She cares about the effect that Brexit has had on so many people, not the well I’m ok so it doesn’t matter how it has affected other people attitude that many people sadly have. There’s a good article in yesterdays Observer focussing on UK citizens living in the EU ( I can’t do a link).

www.theguardian.com/global/2023/jun/18/six-britons-who-moved-to-the-eu-expat-life-post-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Link to article mentioned in MayBee's post

Do you really think she only cares about her pension?

Well, yeah, that seems to be the main bone of contention because Sterling and the euro, and its affect on her income, has been referred to no less than 7 times on this thread. Some of us don't own one home, let alone 2 in different countries. Some of us have a basic state pension and nothing else, let alone private pensions AND state pension. Some of us voted to remain in the referendum and were initially annoyed that brexit won, but have realised that endlessly whinging about it on social media bores the pants off people and achieves nothing.

Fleurpepper

Aveline

Oh yes. Thank God for our international expert in all aspects of economics, education, agricultural policy and so much more! If only she actually lived, paid taxes and voted here.

We do pay taxes in the UK, we do have property in the UK we pay tax on, and we certainly do vote here too. We have no pension or income from anywhere else either. And all our close family, ACs, Gcs, sils, bils and lofe long friends, in the UK too.

So not quite sure who you are talking about ???

I am not moaning, or bleating- I was responding to a very specific post.

Yes, there are issues in other countries, inflation is affecting people all over- only the UK has the added huge difference that Brexit makes, a very neagtive one.

Some people on GN are obsessed with personalising posts about Brexit, and bringing in very personal information, and it is hard not to respond.

CheersMeDears

^Do you really think she only cares about her pension?^

Well, yeah, that seems to be the main bone of contention because Sterling and the euro, and its affect on her income, has been referred to no less than 7 times on this thread. Some of us don't own one home, let alone 2 in different countries. Some of us have a basic state pension and nothing else, let alone private pensions AND state pension. Some of us voted to remain in the referendum and were initially annoyed that brexit won, but have realised that endlessly whinging about it on social media bores the pants off people and achieves nothing.

But it’s the 7 year anniversary of the vote so it isn’t just Fleurpepper that’s discussing it. Why is discussing it classed as whinging purely because we still haven’t seen any benefit from it. Were the people in the ERG and Farage described as whingers when they campaigned for years about the original vote to join the EU? It has been described as the biggest act of self harm that any country has ever inflicted upon itself and, 7 years on I still haven’t seen or heard anything to make me not believe that to be true. I would happily hold up my hands and say I was wrong and that Brexit hasn’t been a disaster but I can’t. Look how close it came to destroying peace in Ireland. I could be wrong but I don’t think the situation in remain voting Gibraltar has been resolved yet so should they just put it behind them and stop whinging about it?

So, I am not moaning, or bleating, but I will say this very clearly. I am just as entitled to an opinion about Brexit as any of you are, as I am British, so is my OH, and we both worked very hard in the UK all our adult lives, and are totally dependent on the pensions we worked hard for. NO, I do not complain about ourselves, at all. The very poor exchange rates for Sterling affect the whole country, every single citizen and every State sector.

Now, if you want to argue, as you seem to be, that someone who came to the UK as a 2 year old, 75 years ago, and one who came to the UK as a teenager, 53 years ago- both British for over 50 years, is not to be considered legally or 'socially' entitled to an opinion on things seriously affecting the country, our family and friends, and ourselves- then you are demonstrating massive prejudice, and possibly racism. Because racism is not just about 'race' in fact- and in the case of OH, would actually apply as he is very mixed race and arrived in 1948, at the same time as Windrush (but on another ship, from SA).

FP - We know you extremely well through your posts which you insist are genuinely held and which reflect a carping and parochial view of the UK and its people.

Multiple posters have proved these to be at best intolerant and at worse unfounded.

As the soldier on parade said
‘ Everyone else is out of step not me’

On and on she goes.

Now, if you want to argue, as you seem to be, that someone who came to the UK as a 2 year old, 75 years ago, and one who came to the UK as a teenager, 53 years ago- both British for over 50 years, is not to be considered legally or 'socially' entitled to an opinion on things seriously affecting the country, our family and friends, and ourselves- then you are demonstrating massive prejudice, and possibly racism.

Who's that aimed at Fleurpepper? Not me I hope? I couldn't care less how old you were when you immigrated to the UK! I couldn't give a damn how long you lived here or worked here; your history is of no importance or relevance to my posts. I'm simply stating that, from your own past highly personalised and prolific posting, I've been able to deduce that you are in a privileged position, far more privileged than many other people. And they don't seem to feel the need to constantly complain, criticise and blame for the inadequacies and shortfalls in their lives. I strongly believe that that has nothing to do with where they live, how long they've lived there or how they voted in a referendum. I believe it's because they just have the ability to look around them and recognise just how many blessings they have, are thankful for them and thank their God every day. Try it.

racism
noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
Similar:
racial discrimination
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

As none of us can see one another and are not aware of another's ethnicity or race on this thread I cannot see how racism can be a valid accusation.

You mention the Windrush - did your OH arrive in that group? You don't know, though if others on here did so too or have relatives who did.
Or from Uganda when Idi Amin expelled the Asian community.
Or any other ethnic group which has arrived on these shores.

We could be from many ethnic groups and probably are.

I do, believe me CheersmeDears.

Callistemon, I am fully aware of this. But none of them are constantly told they have no right to be really concerned about the negative effects of Brexit (not on themselves- I totally get why you would not care a hoot), but on the country and its citizens (including my close family and friends).

The vitriol is not from me.

The vitriol is not from me.

I would agree with you there. But the negativity, anger, moaning and complaining about the euro, Stirling, your pensions, your income and how badly you feel done by, are yours alone. Own it.

Fleurpepper

I do, believe me CheersmeDears.

Callistemon, I am fully aware of this. But none of them are constantly told they have no right to be really concerned about the negative effects of Brexit (not on themselves- I totally get why you would not care a hoot), but on the country and its citizens (including my close family and friends).

The vitriol is not from me.

I totally get why you would not care a hoot

Why would you say that?
Why?

Then accuse others of bullying?

Vitriol:
a rude expression intended to offend or hurt

I totally get why you would not care a hoot
The vitriol is not from me
🤔

Would anyone like to hear my tail of woe Re the financial crash in 2008 ? No, I thought not. 😂

1979/80 ☹

I would MerylStreep. I would rather not 7 times though!

Of course Maggiemaybe, pax to you as well. Thanks. Yes, sad about the animals and all the others affected by broken promises.

As I have written elsewhere, I do think a financial slump is coming[no, not particularly or at all because of Brexit].
It may not start in this country. It may or may not not start in the EU either.
But I do think there is a part worldwide one coming.
So yes, I would like to hear.

It's cyclical.

Jings Fleurpepper, are they still trying to shut you down? Not doing well are they, at 35 pages!