Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

MayBee70
Not so. As you know we have many members who aren’t British born or have moved to another country.
I could be wrong but I don’t recall any of them pontificating on what we have got wrong.

Well, the things that Fleurpepper’pontificates’ about are usually the same things that I pontificate about but I don’t seem to be criticised in the same way. It seems that I have the right to criticise what’s happening here but she isn’t. Why is that?

Maybe70

Actually, that’s exactly what those made of ‘sterner stuff’ did do, just got on with it, no moaning, whinging and bleating because they recognised it for the fruitless activity it is and saved their energy for something more productive.

My father was captured on the desert in North Africa in June 1942. Held by the Italians initially, when they capitulated he was handed back to the Germans and spent the remainder of the war as one of the 600 British POWs held in Auschwitz. Always hungry, sometimes literally starving, and forced to work in the I G Farben factory with a rifle shoved against his ribs and hit with the butt of it at any sign of non compliance. Force marched out of the camp in January 1945, hundreds of miles across Czechoslovakia in one of the worst winters on record with temperatures regularly minus 30 degrees without food, shelter or adequate clothing. He saw comrades shot at the side of the road because they couldn’t go any further and was threatened with the same fate himself for trying to intervene.

My father lived to be 92 and never in the whole of my life did I hear one word of bitterness or complaint, about his treatment and experiences, never, ever. Nor actually from my mother who was left for months not knowing whether or not she even had husband any more, juggling childcare with working long hours on war work to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table.

If either were ever asked about it they would say quite simply, that it had been tough but they got through it, that it had happened and you couldn’t change the past and that it was what was ahead that mattered, not what you had left behind. No woe is me, no how hard done by I’ve been, just knuckling down and getting on with it.

Brexit’s a bit of a walk in the park in comparison isn’t it?

It’s not a competition….you could say something bad that happens isn’t as bad as being involved in a war but it doesn’t mean that one can’t be angry or upset about it.

Toscalily

I totally agree. I often wonder how some posters on here would respond if they were really up against it.

Somewhat lacking in compassion Maybee. How can you say ‘it’s not a competition’ on reading something like that?

Maybe70

I’m not saying you can’t be angry or upset about it. Fill your boots if that’s what you want to do, pointless as it is. It’s about perspective, keeping it in proportion. The constant ‘Brexit is a disaster’ narrative is totally out of all proportion.

Farmor15

Aveline's table posted at 18.01 only shows half the EU countries which had higher inflation rates than UK in April. The other half including countries like France and Germany had lower inflation, so not sure what the point is.

Neither am I. You you would have to say why each of those countries was higher or lower. Inflation rates vary for many reasons but that tells you nothing about how brexit affected us "in comparison".

Germanshepherdsmum

Somewhat lacking in compassion Maybee. How can you say ‘it’s not a competition’ on reading something like that?

If you’re implying that I don’t care about people affected by war then you really don’t know me and are misinterpreting the point I’m trying to make. Which is that, amongst other things, Brexit could have brought back the troubles and still might. Because historical events lead to other historical events.

For those who keep saying GN members are trying to close down the thread , just the opposite 😄 it would have died away pdq without them (us) what say we make it to 1000?
Have been pleased to read some really top comments from many, common sense and well put. As far as I can see the OP
Is bewailing Brexit from a personal financial viewpoint only with a bit of Brit bashing thrown in.
After the 1000 end of thread will there be another thrilling installment?

No it isn’t Brit bashing. It’s bemoaning what Brexit has done to the place. Which you can only see if you’ve been subjected to any of it

There is a personal aspect to this thread though. The OP seems to be totally obsessed with the topic and seems unable to understand that life moves on and changes all the time for a multiplicity of reasons which she seems blind to.

Not really due to Brexit, but as seen on here maybe it is, people appear to have become more uncharitable towards each other these days, and especially touchy about anything remotely to do with it.

Returning to the UK with the car through passport control, you used to get a friendly smile and welcome back. Now everytime you pass through, you get the frosty glare and the Spanish inquisition.
"How long have you been away?" (Well read the flippin' stamp?
"What was the purpose of your trip?" (Look at the car packed with sunhats, cool box, beach chairs and a dog.)
"Do you intend to return again soon?" (Might do, might not).
"Where are you heading now?" (To Waitrose to buy some milk).

This is MY country, and I really object to all this questioning on British soil to the Nth degree. I am not the one you need to be officious towards. I am a free person, physically and mentally, and I do rue the day that all this stupid nonsense started. Be kind.

But today's another day, and back in the world of my daily life I will carry on as before and not let it worry me. Maybe that is why the folk I mix with will be asking me all about my holiday and not even mentioning any difficulties encountered.

Joseann
You must be a very dodgy looking character because beyond checking the boot for illegal, - immigrants, booze or fags, never bothered me

Yes, real shifty looking that's me! I even got asked to remove my sunglasses, yet the blokes on motorbikes with beards and crash helmets weren't asked to remove theirs!!
Seriously, it's taking so much extra time now to clear immigration with all the checks that you'd think asking as few questions as possible would be the way to go. My guess is it's because I'm a fairly regular ferry traveller, they think I could be up to no good!!

Worried about meat from Australia after Brexit in case it has been dosed with antibiotics?

Buy meat and chicken from the EU instead??
It is still legal to use antibiotics in the EU in food production, contributing to antibiotic resistance in humans.

www.itv.com/news/2023-06-20/uk-supermarkets-sell-antibiotic-dosed-chickens-linked-to-deadly-superbug

www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/20/uk-supermarket-suppliers-chickens-given-antibiotics-critical-for-humans

www.sustainweb.org/news/jun23-uk-supermarkets-sell-chicken-dosed-human-critical-antibiotics

This was reported on 10 years ago too!
www.arc2020.eu/illegal-antibiotics-revealed-in-polish-chicken/

Joseann

Yes, real shifty looking that's me! I even got asked to remove my sunglasses, yet the blokes on motorbikes with beards and crash helmets weren't asked to remove theirs!!
Seriously, it's taking so much extra time now to clear immigration with all the checks that you'd think asking as few questions as possible would be the way to go. My guess is it's because I'm a fairly regular ferry traveller, they think I could be up to no good!!

Join the clan - I must look dodgy too.
I'm the person who always gets checked out, patted down, has to empty everything out at airports 🙂

Good to hear a former Tory minister who is prepared to tell the truth about the cost of brexit

twitter.com/i/status/1664399778036215808

We must admit Brexit is a mistake and rejoin the single market, says senior Tory Tobias Ellwood

Chairman of the Defence Select Committee said both Labour and the Conservatives need to be brave enough to say what many MPs privately think

A senior Tory has called for both main parties to show the courage and strength of character to admit that Brexit has failed and seek to rejoin the EU single market.

Tobias Ellwood, Conservative chairman of the defence select committee, said many MPs privately agree with the case for a Norway-style relationship with the EU but are too scared to say so.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/admit-brexit-mistake-rejoin-single-market-senior-tory-tobias-ellwood-2450612

We need MPs with more courage.

Oreo

For those who keep saying GN members are trying to close down the thread , just the opposite 😄 it would have died away pdq without them (us) what say we make it to 1000?
Have been pleased to read some really top comments from many, common sense and well put. As far as I can see the OP
Is bewailing Brexit from a personal financial viewpoint only with a bit of Brit bashing thrown in.
After the 1000 end of thread will there be another thrilling installment?

As far as you can see totally wrong. I have explained many times it is not about how it has affected me, at all.

Aveline 'There is a personal aspect to this thread though. The OP seems to be totally obsessed with the topic and seems unable to understand that life moves on and changes all the time for a multiplicity of reasons which she seems blind to.'

of course it is personal, in as much as the whole thing has been a disaster for the country I am a citizen off, that I have loved wholeheartedly for over 50 years, and to which I gave my all, all my adult life, and admired beyond bounds for being so special, so tolerant, with a great sense of humanity and humour too. Obssessed? Yes, I am, because it has cause irreparable damage to so many, and to this amazing country as a whole. It's reputation first of all. And no hyperbole here, it is truly tragic.

As said, many who voted for it now know it is, many Tories too, and huge swathes of Labour and the red wall. What is wrong with feeling a very strong and personal connection with something you know to be so dreadfully damaging.

As said above, many other posters feel as I do, and they do express it in very strong terms. But they are never attacked on such a personal level.

So why? Talk about it being personal- it certainly is, VERY personal. In all my 50 years in the UK, I have never ever felt any discrimination ever- not a single time. Being confronted with the nasty and very personal attacks has been a real shock- and only here on GN. Only, ever. Why? I can only guess.

No wonder so many give up. Well done all those who keep the rejoin EU battle - I shall keep my efforts and energy for elsewhere than GN- you are braver than me.

Yes those who don’t care and say it’s not as bad as the holocaust or whatever, need to give their heads a wobble - just because of some dreadful event in history doesn’t mean we can’t point out things which are affecting our lives now. It does matter to some that their relative from the EU can’t come and stay to help out with the kids or we can’t go and stay with them , or it takes months to post their forgotten spectacles back to them and costs £££s. when previously it was no problem. We have deliberate inflicted economic sanctions on ourselves which affects millions of us everyday. We are perfectly entitled to point it out and hope that gradually these restrictions will be eased one way or another,

The joke is several Brexit supporters on here were comparing Brexit with WW2 and saying we got through that so we will get through Brexit etc., I thought that was disgusting then as it was a completely erroneous comparison, millions died in WW2 , it was nothing like Brexit and shouldn’t be used to silence complaints now.

Brexit tariffs threaten Vauxhall’s mega factory in Luton

Crippling taxes weaken competitiveness of Britain’s nascent electric vehicle industry

Telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/07/09/brexit-tarrifs-threaten-vauxhall-mega-factory-luton/

Even the pro-Tory, pro-brexit, Daily Telegraph is beginning to tell the truth

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